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10-24-2011 05:48 PM
KIRKRIDER
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Originally Posted by lisevolution View Post
If you're going to get rear-entry bindings the flows are definitely the way to go. I picked up a pair of the Cinch CTX's last year and my initial impressions were positive. However by the end of the season I decided I was done with them. First the cable would slide out of the guide on the heel cup like 85% of the time, secondly the ladders were too wide for the ratchets or something because they were a bitch open when needed to be used as a traditional bidning basically eliminating the advantage of them over the Flows in that sense. Beyond those flaws they just felt sloppy...laterally I always felt like I was going to break them from putting too much leverage on them and lognitudinally they were terrible for response. To make any adjustments was a PITA as well and the stupidest thing they did was removing the traditional ratchet on the toe and replacing with a micro, locking manual ratchet that basically made it impossible to adjust fit properly. Overall they were probably the worst binding I used in the last 10 years. Yes on straight east coast groomer days they were fine but so is every binding. Also with the stupid cable coming out of the guide as often as it did it made it take longer to get in than regular strap bindings.

The only issue with the flows is the snow build up you can accumulate on the sole of your boot wich can somewhat throw off the fit but that can be easily cured.

For this season I'm back contemplating between the flows or going with the K2 Evers.
Did you play with the high back angle a lot? That's a way to get the guide out of alignment. Never had a single issue with CINCH CTX (2010). I do use a small profile boot...slides in perfectly. There has to be something loose..I have no issues with mine. And yes, those small ratchets are supposed to stay locked
10-23-2011 07:05 PM
Hardy Har
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Originally Posted by SBE View Post
You do You! Just make sure you get some extra hardware and a tool with ya!
might just be the case. i dont know yet though. its a tough decision. hard to buy a product that you base off of other peoples suggestions.
10-21-2011 12:29 AM
SBE You do You! Just make sure you get some extra hardware and a tool with ya!
10-20-2011 08:25 PM
Hardy Har It seems as though anything you(in general) buy, you create an opinion based on what you like and are used to. so its like getting a new baseball glove. u might be iffy on how stiff it is but once broke in it becomes much nice. and wear and tear happens with alot of things. but as i have to keep asking myself about how more moving parts can mean more things falling apart, what are those chances and i think ill just roll with the flow(hahaha).
10-20-2011 03:14 PM
hikeswithdogs
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Originally Posted by lisevolution View Post
If you're going to get rear-entry bindings the flows are definitely the way to go. I picked up a pair of the Cinch CTX's last year and my initial impressions were positive. However by the end of the season I decided I was done with them. First the cable would slide out of the guide on the heel cup like 85% of the time, secondly the ladders were too wide for the ratchets or something because they were a bitch open when needed to be used as a traditional bidning basically eliminating the advantage of them over the Flows in that sense. Beyond those flaws they just felt sloppy...laterally I always felt like I was going to break them from putting too much leverage on them and lognitudinally they were terrible for response. To make any adjustments was a PITA as well and the stupidest thing they did was removing the traditional ratchet on the toe and replacing with a micro, locking manual ratchet that basically made it impossible to adjust fit properly. Overall they were probably the worst binding I used in the last 10 years. Yes on straight east coast groomer days they were fine but so is every binding. Also with the stupid cable coming out of the guide as often as it did it made it take longer to get in than regular strap bindings.

The only issue with the flows is the snow build up you can accumulate on the sole of your boot wich can somewhat throw off the fit but that can be easily cured.

For this season I'm back contemplating between the flows or going with the K2 Evers.

Wow your the second person to mention this, I bought the CTS last season on clearance I just needed a 2nd set of bindings(for backup) and they were like a 100$ so I said screw it as they seemed to work well in the store. I got them mounted and never bothered with my 2009 AutoEvers(after I kept breaking wires) ever again they fit great and lock down tighter than any other binders I've ever used.

I think the key is this though, they work far far better with low profile boots(think F22's) larger more conventional boots seem to have issues with fit\flex and clamshell closure design. I've never experienced any of these issues and once I got them adjusted properly I fell in love. Used them in multiple 2-3 foot powder days in Utah and glare ice in the Midwest, never needed to use the conventional strap option even in deep powder I just roll over on my stomach lift up my boot board and insert boot. Who knows maybe this season I'll start having issues with them but so far so good and I have the cheaper mid level CTS's. I'm 5'11 190Lbs 10.5 size feet and have about 40 days on them from last season.
10-20-2011 01:13 PM
zk0ot
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Originally Posted by lisevolution View Post
... secondly the ladders were too wide for the ratchets or something because they were a bitch open ...
* not factory flaw.... they actually did this purposefully. the intention was to make the straps stay put... so bumping the release wouldnt mean youd have to readjust. It takes effort to release the straps.... frustrating if using them as a traditional strap in.
10-20-2011 12:45 PM
lisevolution If you're going to get rear-entry bindings the flows are definitely the way to go. I picked up a pair of the Cinch CTX's last year and my initial impressions were positive. However by the end of the season I decided I was done with them. First the cable would slide out of the guide on the heel cup like 85% of the time, secondly the ladders were too wide for the ratchets or something because they were a bitch open when needed to be used as a traditional bidning basically eliminating the advantage of them over the Flows in that sense. Beyond those flaws they just felt sloppy...laterally I always felt like I was going to break them from putting too much leverage on them and lognitudinally they were terrible for response. To make any adjustments was a PITA as well and the stupidest thing they did was removing the traditional ratchet on the toe and replacing with a micro, locking manual ratchet that basically made it impossible to adjust fit properly. Overall they were probably the worst binding I used in the last 10 years. Yes on straight east coast groomer days they were fine but so is every binding. Also with the stupid cable coming out of the guide as often as it did it made it take longer to get in than regular strap bindings.

The only issue with the flows is the snow build up you can accumulate on the sole of your boot wich can somewhat throw off the fit but that can be easily cured.

For this season I'm back contemplating between the flows or going with the K2 Evers.
10-18-2011 10:21 AM
Wiredsport
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Originally Posted by slyder View Post
I or someone one should post of short video of up-close and personal on the bindings.
That is a solid idea

10-17-2011 01:36 PM
Hardy Har
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Originally Posted by slyder View Post
I or someone one should post of short video of up-close and personal on the bindings.

Hardy you will hear good/bad on any brand. You sound like you like them I think you should just take the plunge and try them. I know money is not free but worst case senario, you can sell them at 75% of new, I'm sure someone will take them.
very good point. and wired thanks anyways. big help
10-17-2011 06:23 AM
slyder I or someone one should post of short video of up-close and personal on the bindings.

Hardy you will hear good/bad on any brand. You sound like you like them I think you should just take the plunge and try them. I know money is not free but worst case senario, you can sell them at 75% of new, I'm sure someone will take them.
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