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12-16-2011 05:17 AM
armybpc1985 Hey Snow would you mind sending those lesson videos to me as well please. My family is coming to Colorado with me in January, and I've been tasked with teaching my brothers and sisters how to snowboard.
12-16-2011 03:55 AM
Originally Posted by Snowolf View Post
Awesome! Glad it went well and I hope the videos helped...
As a matter of fact they did, for both of us. Being my first time out this year, and riding on a rapidly melting 6" base, those vids helped me focus on my technique. We watched them over lunch, and a couple other people were looking over our shoulders. Had these 2 dudes join us, and got an extra round of beers out of the deal. So I guess if we ever meet in real life then I owe ya a couple

Like I said, all the tips(except the shroom one, didn't try that lol) helped and I couldn't have done it without you guys. IMO this is the best SB'ing forum on the net, sure you can get discounts and win free shit on others, but no place else can you get this level of personal advice.
12-15-2011 11:23 AM
Originally Posted by linvillegorge View Post
Add mushrooms and a blizzard to the equation and that's pretty much how I learned.
lol nice way to learn, sounds like my 1\2 of my second year riding.
12-15-2011 10:53 AM
Originally Posted by Snowolf View Post
As an instructor, I truly love the student who is really eager to learn. They guy that has a passion for riding and is spending his own hard earned money to improve. I love THAT guy...
I wish they could all be like that sadly they are the few rather than the many(in terms of students anyway).
Definitely try some things out, it may work for you or may not. I'd like to hear how it goes. I think we just have very different styles when it comes to teaching. Neither is better, they are just different.
12-14-2011 01:29 PM
JeffreyCH as a matter of fact, beers and lunch
12-14-2011 09:49 AM
wrathfuldeity awww that's cute...u's a good brother. Did he buy beers?
12-14-2011 07:26 AM
Tarzanman Do what my friends did to me.

Put him on a hill and let him figure it out. Seriously..... I had to watch other people getting on the lift in order to figure out that I needed one (and only one) foot strapped in. That is what I get for going with a bunch of skiers who've never been on a board, I suppose.

First run ever was a gentle blue during a night session. Things started to 'click' on the second day when I sat down on a bench for a few minutes and watched another snowboarder carving side to side most of the way down Casper run. It was an "Oh.*That* is what I'm supposed to be trying to do" type of moment.

I'm still not as good as that guy was (as I recall, he had rather obscene lean angles), but odds are that he was a local.
12-14-2011 07:03 AM
JeffreyCH We went on Sunday, had a great time even though the conditions were not the best. I used a mix of everybody's advice and techniques. We spent about a half hour at the base working on skating and glides. I had planned on spending more time then that but I could see my bro was getting kind of itchy to just go do it. Rode up the lift together, I went over a few things, like, gliding off the lift, body position, knees bent ect. I had him watch me take a couple turns, then waited for him to catch up, few pointers from what I could see, then blast the rest of the bunny hill. I jumped back on the lift, caught back up answered a couple questions, then blast back to the bottom. Over lunch I had him re-watch the videos I had downloaded on my laptop, seemed to help. After lunch he made it down the bunny hill a couple times without falling.

I want to thank everyone who took the time to post all these tips and techniques, couldn't have done it without you guys.
12-07-2011 02:23 PM
Cr0_Reps_Smit whenever i got a kid with the "im too cool" attitude id just bust out some crazy buttering moves and they would do whatever i told them after that so i would teach them how to do what i did.
12-07-2011 01:56 PM
Originally Posted by Snowolf View Post
Exactly my point! This tactic is not something I employ as my standard method and even when I do this, I make an accurate assesment of the rider`s capability and safety is always top priority. But some people in these programs are so arrogant that in order to actually get them ready to accept training you have to break them down a bit like a drill instructor in basic training does.

I actually, think that seeing this and thinking outside of the AASI box from time to time makes me a "better instructor than that". Now that I think about it, that was kind of a cheap shot Jim.....
I didn’t mean it as a cheap shot, I was just surprised because your posts are always spot on and I agree with a lot of what you say and I guess it came across harsher than meant.

I am sure you do it safely and your students aren’t at risk and you know what you are doing when you do resort to this method. I just feel there are better ways to handle that situation. In my experience teaching, handling students like that(pretty much 1/3 of the new instructors I train have the “cooler than you” attitude you are talking about). I used to handle it by breaking them down and out riding them and it worked and I thought that was the way to go.

But, I have since learned that there are better methods out there. To go out and have fun, ride with them, and offer them small tips on their personal riding. Maybe offer a small tip, then talk about it on the lift ride. If you offer the right tip, they’ll notice the difference it made in that one run and be more inclined to listen to you because in that one run you just added something to their riding. This method is hard because you need to know what tip to offer as odds are you’ll see a lot of things that need improvement. Or you can talk about taking something to the next level of difficulty, ie “Hey, that was a nice BS180 off that roller, ever try tail tapping in the middle of it?”. The options are endless.

What changed for me was a teaching concepts course taught by AASI. During one of the warm up runs on the first day of the course, the clinician was doing something with his turns and kept falling/sketching out on heelside. So at the bottom someone asked him about it, and he said it’s something he’s been playing with in his personal riding, explained it and then asked if we wanted to play around with it(I can’t remember what it was, or I would share it). So we did, played with it as a group and figured out where it worked and didn’t work. Then at lunch, we were talking and he explained that what he was “playing with” was a movement he used all the time in his riding and knew it applied to the group’s riding as a whole. But, he decided to teach it to us that way to remove traditional “teacher-student” roles and show that you don’t have to follow the rulebook. Take that method, adapt it to your arrogant students and see what happens.

One of the reasons the student is being arrogant is he’s reacting to being the student in the student-teacher relationship. Making them go down a trail that’s outside of their ability is only going to reinforce that. Why not try to get rid of the student-teacher relationship all together? Ride with them, joke around and have fun, and see what opportunities emerge. Throw out the “rules” of a lesson regarding traditional goal setting and structure and just go ride and see what learning opportunities emerge.

Peaceslyder, I agree that creating a challenging environment is a great way to keep someone from getting bored/frustrated/worried that they suck! However, that doesn’t necessarily mean taking someone down a knarly black diamond trail on the person’s second day. Challenges/games/etc can be found on any terrain.
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