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01-10-2012 06:00 PM
Originally Posted by Cr0_Reps_Smit View Post
yea the cold shock thing sounds bogus.
Yeah, the cold shock thing is mentioned on a few ski racing pages, but (like most racing tips), I suspect it's an exceedingly marginal performance or durability improvement. Worth it if you're a few hunderedth's off the podium.

For increased durability, you can use a harder wax on the edges or even move up to powders on the edges. But really, over the course of an entire season, you're probably only saving yourself a few waxing sessions. Frankly, on manmade snow for recreational boarding, there's only 2 types of wax you'll need: warm temp for slush to break the water suck and everything else. If it isn't spring slush, just use cold temp wax for durability. All temp wax is just mid range temp wax, jack of all trades, master of none. You won't notice any difference riding cold temp wax in mid temp conditions, but you will notice if you have mid-temp in very cold conditions, it will get stick.
01-10-2012 04:35 PM
Cr0_Reps_Smit yea the cold shock thing sounds bogus. i've heard of putting your board outside AFTER you wax/scraped right before you are about to go ride and thats only if your base is still warm from the waxing so that it can adjust to the temp of the snow so it doesnt stick to it.
01-10-2012 04:17 PM
Sick-Pow Cold shock is a joke, less wax will be absorbed, and more will scrape off.

People hand build ski sized makeshift ovens to bake the wax in, not the opposite...

strange wax company tech cold shock.

Manmade snow sucks. Hot Wax often, and cork it after scraping for a nice polish.
01-10-2012 03:44 PM
Originally Posted by MeanJoe View Post
Very interesting, I've never heard of this technique before.
yea i remembered reading about it in a tuning manual put out by a wax company....i think it was either toko or kuu.
01-10-2012 03:30 PM
CheeseForSteeze Cr0's idea will work and linvillegeorge explained what is happening. With as much manmade as I've been riding this year, I find my edges dry at the end of the day and I wax every single day on my Westmark. It's really not a problem, the middle the base still has enough speed to carry across flat spots and get speed for hitting stuff which is the only reason I'm such a wax so much.

So you can either use a harder wax on the edges/areas that dry fast or you could carry a couple of boards, all freshly waxed. Otherwise, it's not going to hurt anything.
01-10-2012 03:20 PM
Originally Posted by kittyripper View Post
perhaps try the cold shock curing method?

immediately after waxing put your board out in the cold or base side down in the snow. this makes for a molecularly tighter bond between base and wax.

worth a shot i suppose...
Very interesting, I've never heard of this technique before.
01-09-2012 02:18 PM
kittyripper perhaps try the cold shock curing method?

immediately after waxing put your board out in the cold or base side down in the snow. this makes for a molecularly tighter bond between base and wax.

worth a shot i suppose...
01-09-2012 12:55 PM
linvillegorge The conditions the majority of us are seeing right now are just hell on wax. With last year's conditions, I was waxing every 7-8 days on the snow or so. I probably should've waxed a little more, but I was having too much fun actually riding. I'm waxing about every 2 days now.
01-09-2012 12:50 PM
Cr0_Reps_Smit i would try using a colder wax on your edges while using whatever temp specific wax in the middle of your board. warm and all temp waxes tend to be softer then a cold wax which is a bit harder. that is also why cold waxes are harder to scrape then warmer ones. the cold wax in the edges will take more effort to dry out and wont make a difference in speed whatever the temp of the snow is since theres not much board actually touching the snow when you are on edge while carving.
01-09-2012 12:02 PM
Originally Posted by Bones View Post
4-6 runs? I ride an NS here on the Ice Coast, seems all I ever see is manmade and boiler plate. I get about a day or 2 out of a wax (averaging a full weekend day and then about 4 hours of mid-week night riding) After that, I generally wax again before the next weekend, but I can get another session of night riding in if necessary.

By contrast, I've never had to wax on my annual week-long trip out west to ride powder. 6 straight days and my base looks the same as day 1.

I use Kuu cold temp graphite
I didn't say I needed to wax it again. I said I started to see drying out. I ran it another day for a total of 2
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