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01-17-2012 08:57 AM
Leo I'll just end it with this...

I ride things factory first. Then I do adjustments afterwards if needed. I don't skip straight to the adjustment phase before jumping on a new setup.

What if you find that factory wax is good enough and you've been needlessly waxing all of your new boards from the get-go? Imagine the wax and time you would have saved. What if you find that detuning is not for you, yet that's what you immediately did to your new board?

I think I'm going to start waxing every demo board before I ride it now lol. But honestly, this is me. I came to this conclusion after riding factory new stuff. Easton came to his conclusion in the exact same way. That's all I'm advising for NEW RIDERS.

You see Easton and I came to the opposite conclusion from the same exact start. At some point, him and I rode factory waxed boards and came to our respective conclusions.
01-17-2012 08:56 AM
easton714 Fair enough.
01-17-2012 08:49 AM
Leo Risk what? You aren't risking anything but a day of less performance compared to a hand waxed board. We aren't even bringing snow conditions into the equation. You also keep ignoring the fact that MOST of us riders here won't really know the difference. Head game.

You obviously have much more experience than a lot of us here. It's pretty easy to understand that YOU can tell the big difference.

You actually do waste something by waxing a factory new board. Not a complete waste, but still a waste... your wax and time. Well a complete waste if you can't tell the difference anyway.

You also talked about how you sharpen your edges after every session. That's definitely not a good idea for some riders.

Again, way too much thought into this. I debate it because I see 100's of threads of new riders, many of whom don't even have more than a couple of days on snow, asking about waxing a factory new board. Then they spend their time learning how to wax and shopping for the "best wax" all before getting out on snow.

Same with the whole detuning thing. So much emphasis on detuning factory new boards when detuning is not for everyone much like sharpening isn't either.

Experienced riders: You know hand wax is always better, your call

New riders: I doubt you'll notice the difference between a crappy factory machine wax or a hand wax, but yes, hand wax is definitely better. Again, your call

You gave your opinion and I gave mine. Neither of us are factually right
01-17-2012 08:34 AM
easton714 There are a lot of things in life you probably shouldn't do that you can do once and likely get away with it.

But why risk it?

It is neither expensive nor difficult nor time-consuming, etc., to wax a board. There is no downside to it - so I can only assume that most people think boards are already waxed. And my only point in continuing this is to let people know that is a common misconception (reinforced quite specifically but a few recent factory tours).

If one person sees this who would have previously assumed their new dream deck to be waxed and ready to go, learns something they didn't otherwise know, and decides to wax first, I consider my time well spent.

I am not asking you personally to do anything. It is fine with me if you don't want to do it.
01-17-2012 08:24 AM
Leo
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Originally Posted by easton714 View Post
We apparently have different definitions of what we consider "much thought".

I, quite honestly, after several years in the industry as a tuner, riding for Rossignol for a few years, and generally caring about things I pay $600 for now that I don't get things for free anymore, am surprised so many people don't care. So I naturally assumed people thought boards come waxed...when, generally, they don't. It is the truth. Sorry.
No one here is arguing that it is pointless to wax a snowboard by hand. I'm just talking strictly about new snowboards. You make it sound like it's a waste of your money if you don't hand wax a new board. The board isn't going to die if you ride factory wax for a day.

I'm just telling people what I do and I've been perfectly fine with it all this time. But I'm no team rider like you were. I'm guessing most of the others here aren't either. Which brings me to my point, I doubt most will be affected by riding factory wax.
01-17-2012 08:03 AM
easton714
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I'm still shocked that people put this much thought into the whole waxing a new board thing.

We apparently have different definitions of what we consider "much thought".

I, quite honestly, after several years in the industry as a tuner, riding for Rossignol for a few years, and generally caring about things I pay $600 for now that I don't get things for free anymore, am surprised so many people don't care. So I naturally assumed people thought boards come waxed...when, generally, they don't. It is the truth. Sorry.
01-17-2012 07:56 AM
Leo I'm still shocked that people put this much thought into the whole waxing a new board thing.
01-17-2012 07:53 AM
easton714
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Isn't NS using Saucer Wax anymore? My 3 year old NS came with that, best factory wax job I've ever had, got 2 full days out of it on east coast ice right out of the box.
I don't know what saucer wax is (to be honest) but I watched them "wax" their factory boards very recently and I have described what I saw.

Again, I am not knocking them (I may very well end up buying one...haven't decided yet). I am only saying, using personal experience, that I would hot wax any new board. Even something as high end as NS needs it.

You don't have to agree but waxing is done for more than performance and I would rather start a $600 deck off with a full hot wax because I do not consider what I saw (and have seen by other manufacturers in the past) to be an acceptable starting point.

And I would imagine they would tell you the same thing.
01-17-2012 01:21 AM
snowklinger if you've been riding fresh, your wax maybe holding up nicely. ice, warm temps, and manmade snow tear through wax like a belt sander.
01-17-2012 12:06 AM
Ryan_T I have a quick question - thought I'd throw it on here instead of starting a new.


I can tell (normally) tell when a base is dry, it turns whitish and rough. But this new board I got that's been out 4-5 days looks just like how my old board was when it was freshly hand-waxed. I'm assuming it'd still be best to wax it by now, but why does it still look/feel good...? They're both sintered bases. Do old bases eventually get worse and worse at holding wax or look dry quicker? Or does a brand new base just look this way with/without wax..?
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