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02-15-2017 01:19 PM
BoardieK Funnily enough I've just had pain in this muscle starting 2 days ago, on my rear leg though. I'm 40 days in to a 60 day trip so well warmed-up, using canted bindings on a regular duck stance at 22" (I'm 5'7"). My boots, Flow Hylites, are 120 days old and getting a bit bendy and packed out; they were probably too big to start with but I get no heel lift.

The day it happened there was a lot of blown powder on the edges of the pistes which were pretty hardpacked down the centre. I spent all day carving tight radius (Rossi Jibsaw 153) turns off the (mostly toe side) side of the piste which meant that I was stood on my rear toes a lot over the course of the day. (I would normally "surf" all over the face of the piste treating it like a big slow shoulder on a wave).

So that pretty much ties in with what wakalino has posted, a bit of boot looseness and stood on the toes, but really I just overdid the repetitions (I'm 58). I can still feel it today but it didn't impact a 3 hour session.
02-15-2017 10:54 AM
wakalino
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Originally Posted by ekb18c View Post
I'm sure it was the boots!! It's always the boots.
I wouldn't disagree, ill fitting boots can lead to excessive heel lift, causing you to get on your tip toes to engage the toe edge. The tip toes is the root cause.

Also, better fitted boots make you feel more comfortable and so less likely to tip toe stop.
02-15-2017 09:42 AM
ekb18c I'm sure it was the boots!! It's always the boots.
02-15-2017 08:23 AM
ctoma
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Originally Posted by Kenai View Post
Oops, I'm in the wrong place. I thought this thread was about overuse of the perineum.
That t'aint a good thing.
02-15-2017 07:02 AM
Kenai
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Originally Posted by sabatoa View Post
So i had to google that. Worth it.
You think that was worth it, wait till you have someone else google it for you!
02-15-2017 06:43 AM
sabatoa
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Originally Posted by Kenai View Post
Oops, I'm in the wrong place. I thought this thread was about overuse of the perineum.
So i had to google that. Worth it.
02-15-2017 06:20 AM
Kenai Oops, I'm in the wrong place. I thought this thread was about overuse of the perineum.
02-15-2017 04:35 AM
wakalino Hi Guys,

I know this post is really really old (google throws it up) but as a former sufferer of this problem, i thought i'd share my solution in case anyone else comes across this topic as i know how soul crushing it can be.

I've shown my working a bit here, if you don't want to read the essay, scroll to the last 3 paragraphs.

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I've been snowboarding for knocking on 10 years now and had a stint of about 5-6 years teaching in an indoor slope in the UK. When i started, i had the peronial cramps it sounds like you're describing. I fiddled with my bindings for about a year until i found what i thought was the right stance to make the problem go away.
Then for about 2-3 years, i set this up religiously on every board i had, it even governed what board i bought in case the drill holes lined up differently from those on my current board.

Then something happened and they just vanished...
I swapped boards with my mate and it had been so long since i'd felt that hainus burning pain on the side of my calf that i'd completely forgotten it was an issue. I set my stance to 15 15 a couple of months later as an experiment and nothing, no pain, no discomfort. I assumed i'd ridden through it, something had got stronger and it wasn't a problem any more.

That's not the end though. About 4-5 years ago, i started teaching my would be gf and she began developing the same problem. Our lesson program was 3 x 1 hour lessons on a small nursery hill, followed by 1 hour on a larger slope (it wasn't that simple in the end, but that's a whole other story). Anyway, the burn didn't begin to set in until much further down the line. We were abroad and the snow wasn't great, quite icy and the piste was pretty rock hard. She would last about an hour or two and then we'd have to call it a day because she was unable to walk due to the pain (fair do's to her, i would have called it waaaay before then). This would be a theme for our next few trips.
We tried different boots, i'm fairly sure we went trough every single stance combo, canted foot beds, packing the soles of he boots up in different places, you name it, i tried it.

Finally, we hit a solution:-
A certain pair of boots, medium tight on the bottom, loose on the top.
Sidas Gel pads on the side of her legs where the pain was.
A pair of switchbacks with Canted footbeds.
A very specific stance.

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The unfortunate truth to all of these solutions though, is that none of them work. The real problem is the width of your feet, tight peronial muscles and excessive use in order to stop on your toe edge (if you stand with your feet as they would be on your board, and stand on your tip toes, you'll feel that burn).
As you snowboard more and more, you get comfortable with the actions you perform so you tend to relax a lot more.
In both our cases, we'd learnt the basics, then found how effective it was to use your tip toes to control the speed on the toe edge and this had lead to overuse of the muscle resulting in the cramps. Anything else might help a little bit, your boots might dig in right on the muscle, the canted footbeds shorten the stretch when riding (they're quite hard to come by nowadays though) and obviously your stance has to be comfortable. The main reason is excessive use of the toes for the toe edge.

In both our cases, it came down to feeling comfortable on the board, once we were both confident, we could relax into our boots on our toes and take the pressure off the effected muscle.
It still happens a bit nowadays, when she gets nervous, she tends to rear up on her tip toes on her toe edge (piste to steep/icy, too many people cutting her up etc) I get it just after carving for extended periods of time due to excessive ankle usage to get more edge.
The quick fix is to ride switch for a few turns to give them a rest. In the long term, try some foam rolling and stretches to the muscle and thinking about what you're doing with your toes on your toe side. You should be trying to drive your shins into the front of your boots and letting your ankles bend inside your boots only really straightening them slightly to get a bit of extra edge through the turn.
If you're mostly using your tip toes to stop or control speed or direction on your tip toes, i strongly suspect this is where the problem lies.

Sorry for the long post, I've spent so long trying to figure this out and the lack of information is maddening. I've watched it happen to me and someone i've taught from the ground up, i'm not a physio or doctor by any means, but i am a nerd for stuff like this and i'm pretty sure this is whats going on.

I hope this helps the OP (if its not sorted already) or anyone else who stumbles across this thread like i have. Feel free to drop me a PM if you need any clarification.
01-25-2012 04:40 PM
ShredLife he means to remove the ankle strap and replace it in a lower set of holes down the heelcup - so that the strap hugs more over your instep and less up on top of your ankle.


i kinda doubt that that's gonna do it, but i do think that your bindings and the way they are set is what is causing your problem.

what is your forward lean set at?

have you tried moving your stance closer together some more yet?

from everything you have said it definitely sounds like you need to square yourself over the board and keep more weight on your front leg. you may also be standing too tall.


if you can throw a vid of you riding up it might help.
01-25-2012 03:34 PM
aj327 What do you mean exactly by moving your ankle straps down?
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