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03-11-2012 07:40 PM
srdeo I would also look into Legacy. I think its directional twin. directional shape but twin flex.
It will b little more freestyle than heritage according to neversummer website(i've never ridden heritage).

Heritage has same flex and dampness as Premier f1 (which i have ridden) according to never summer website.
I think premier might be too damp as freestyle board, but it cut thru everything. I personally thought premier was little too damp. I still preferred to feel more on what the board was doing. Having said that premier was very easy on my feet (did not tire my feet at all).

I also briefly tried raptor. It felt more like a pow board (very raised up nose). It was ok at carving but i think cambered board is better for that (does not FEEL as smooth as cambered board). So unless you are riding alot of powder this this may not be a board for you.

With size 12 you would be fine on never summer's wide board. I weigh about same as you and also "hoping" to drop some pounds before next winter.

As far as effective edge goes... It is not just about the effective edge or board length. Flex and dampness also comes into play. you can go faster on stiffer board. and same is true for damp board. I think damp board holds the edge better,( making the edge more effective?)

And at my(your) weight none of the never summer boards are going to be too stiff. But i did feel premier was too damp. But i think it's more of a personal preference thing. Heritage sounds more like a premier with freestyle shape (according to never summer's flex and dampness scale). Personally i preferred dampness of raptor and legacy over premier. They were still damp but you could tell what kind of surface you are on where with premier it was hard to tell (by sound you could tell when you were on ice).

I personally would recommend Legacy as a freestyle board. But heritage would also be a good choice (really splitting hairs). I think Heritage may also be little harder to find so you may get a better deal on Legacy.
03-11-2012 07:03 PM
SimonB 6'1", 225-230 lbs, size 12 (Burton, with shrink tech.) here.

I ride a Proto CTX (wide) 160. Great for freestyle, just enough flex for my taste, but stable and fast enough to bomb groomers.

With the shrink tech, the board is actually a bit wide for me (could have gone regular width), but should be just perfect for a larger 12.

Didn't get to ride much powder though, but I did ride 6-7" heavy snow without problems.

Great do-it-all board.
03-11-2012 07:03 PM
lonerider
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Originally Posted by Ode View Post
well i wear size 12 boots, but they are salomon synapse which seem to be uncommonly long for the size so i was looking at wides. im looking to get a centered stance twin to start getting into freestyle, mostly jumps with some buttering and probably only a little jibbing but while retaining some all mountain so i can still take it up the mountain with my buddies. my antic seems to handle the mountain well and i can set the stance back if we are ducking ropes. im looking for a more playful board to mess around on and take into the park when i feel that urge. you think the heritage will be able to manage this? any others i should look into as well?
Both the legacy and heritage x are good options with the heritage being a little stiffer and better outside of the park. The legacy will be a bit more playful for butters and jibs.
03-11-2012 06:51 PM
Ode well i wear size 12 boots, but they are salomon synapse which seem to be uncommonly long for the size so i was looking at wides. im looking to get a centered stance twin to start getting into freestyle, mostly jumps with some buttering and probably only a little jibbing but while retaining some all mountain so i can still take it up the mountain with my buddies. my antic seems to handle the mountain well and i can set the stance back if we are ducking ropes. im looking for a more playful board to mess around on and take into the park when i feel that urge. you think the heritage will be able to manage this? any others i should look into as well?
03-11-2012 06:49 PM
lonerider As snowolf said, i prefer longer boards tham most people and snowolf prefer slightly shorter than normal (we just have different preferences). Among other things I really like laid out carved turns (usually less dynamic)... where as snowolf likes.more dynamic skidded turns.

I had a friend who is 6'7" 220 with size 15 boots switch from a nitro natural 170 to a never summer legacy 166 (wide version of sl) and he loves it and rode in the 8-10 inches of fresh snow (storm total was 60 inches) last week. I actually tried to get him on 163 wide but he thought the length change would be too much to grt used to.

What size boots do you have?
03-11-2012 06:13 PM
Ode even the 166w gnu riders choice has a smaller effective edge than the proto or revolver
03-11-2012 06:03 PM
Ode im 6'5" 250 right now, recently started working out and dropped about 10 lbs already and hopeing to get down to 225-230 by next season. this is my issue is i didnt want to go below 163 because i feel thats about as small as i could feasibly go down to. however im having trouble finding freestyle, true twin boards that size let alone larger. but in terms of effective edge, the NS boards are much closer to the 168w ride antic than the 163 boards ive been looking at
03-11-2012 04:25 PM
lonerider
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thanks for all the info. when i bought my first board i just kind of looked for something long enough that wasnt super expensive. now that im really looking into board specs and looking for a certain style board, there is so much more information clouding any decision. i was looking at the NS line and how on their freestyle boards, the effective edge is larger than other boards i was looking at that were 3+cm longer. i was looking to go no smaller than 162/163 but lets say i grabbed a NS 160, would i have problems in a couple inches of fresh snow? ive never ridden in powder and cant imagine that faceplanting from the nose diving would be much fun, so im just wondering if this type of thing is a problem in a small amout of powder. ill be able to ride my much longer board i have now if i make it into the powder.
No, you will not have problems riding a Never Summer in a few inches of snow. As I mentioned, I was grossly simplifying the issue, how the nose is "curled" upward is important too... and Never Summer (among other companies) has it figured out. I have a Never Summer Proto CT 154 and it was fine in snow 6-8 inches deep.

It mostly happens when you are riding over a foot of fresh of snow and you get some air over a drop or a mound of windblown powder... if you shift you weight too far forward you will land like my friend in this video. It's actually not very painful to flip in the powder... the problem is that it is very difficult, tiring to get back up afterwards as your body is stuck in what feels like quicksand (you board can be buried under a lot of heavy snow and your arms just plunge through the snow so it is hard to push yourself up).
03-11-2012 04:13 PM
Ode thanks for all the info. when i bought my first board i just kind of looked for something long enough that wasnt super expensive. now that im really looking into board specs and looking for a certain style board, there is so much more information clouding any decision. i was looking at the NS line and how on their freestyle boards, the effective edge is larger than other boards i was looking at that were 3+cm longer. i was looking to go no smaller than 162/163 but lets say i grabbed a NS 160, would i have problems in a couple inches of fresh snow? ive never ridden in powder and cant imagine that faceplanting from the nose diving would be much fun, so im just wondering if this type of thing is a problem in a small amout of powder. ill be able to ride my much longer board i have now if i make it into the powder.
03-11-2012 01:01 AM
lonerider
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Originally Posted by schmitty34 View Post
Board specs should show the effective edge or contact length. For example, Lib Tech shows the contact length on their specs. A blunted TRice 157 has a contact length of 121 while the 157 skunk ape has 117 and the 161 skunk ape has 121....so it may be correct to assume the 157 TRice carves similar to the skink ape, all other things being equal.

However, I don't know if other things like flex are also affected by the board size...i.e. a smaller length will feel softer even though the contact length is the same
Good point. My previous comment is with the caveat "all others things being equal" and that is almost never true.

Here's my basic gross simplification

Long board length, short effective edge (like my Never Summer Summit) will turn on the snow like a much shorter board, the big nose will blast through cruddy snow and float well in powder. Drawback is higher swing weight (so spins over 360 are going to be harder... note I specifically say spins OVER 360... if someone talks about swing weight for just a 180... then they are not very good park riders and are doing them wrong).

Shorter board length, long effective edge... low swing weight (easier spins), but still have more control and stability at speed and on steep. Drawback is that the board will not ride over cruddy snow as easily (longer nose soaks up the shock a bit) and also will be more likely to submarine into deep powder.
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