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04-02-2012 08:51 PM
BarryYung42 Same thign happened for me when i started riding two months ago. I got some help at camp while i was riding with the guest pro. He told me to keep my knees bent so when you hit bumps you wont bounce out of control and to keep your shoulders even with your board/to the direction your going. If your doign s turns and stuff make sure you kick your back leg out and keep your edge that your not on high to asure you don't catch an edge. idk if this will help but i can succsefully go down black runs after two months of riding. Also riding with people alot better than you helps alot because it urges you to keep up therefore expanding your tolorence for high speeds.
04-02-2012 06:10 PM
handscreate
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Thanks! To be fair though, it was the easiest possible green run at that mountain. There are other greens there that are still challenging for me, so can't move to the blues just yet.
Then just try for steeper or harder greens instead & work up to blues once those become a little easier & more comfortable. Being in the backseat is a mental game that you'll have to work on. You won't fall over the front of the board & you won't pick up excess speed by having proper form.

On the toe side turns, work on keeping your torso straight & bending your knees more.

Glad the tips have helped so far!
04-02-2012 06:02 PM
PNWRider
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Perhaps you're still mentally freaking out about the idea of leaning down towards the base of the hill?
On the steeper green, yes.

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I was hoping the tip I gave you about holding your pants/knee while riding would help keep you from thinking about it, so you could focus on your progression & just get comfortable with the position. When you notice yourself getting in the backseat while holding your pants, try grabbing a little further down your leg, or even over your knee cap if needed.
Yes, this helped a lot! I'll try holding lower. One thing I noticed was that toe-side, I tended to bend over at the waist a lot, rather than keeping my torso upright and just flexing the knees and ankles. I need to watch that.

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Consider incorporating calf raises into your workout to strengthen them
Already doing them last few weeks

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That's awesome that you're linking turns down the whole run!!!
Thanks! To be fair though, it was the easiest possible green run at that mountain. There are other greens there that are still challenging for me, so can't move to the blues just yet.
04-02-2012 05:57 PM
PNWRider
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Originally Posted by poutanen View Post
your boots might be too big for you.
I was hoping this was not the case, but I'll go to a proper snowboarding store after work today to see what a proper fit feels like. I bought my boots at a snowboarding/skiiing convention where prices were cheap but there was very little attention to make sure stuff fit properly.
04-02-2012 05:50 PM
handscreate
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Alright, just got back from Cypress Mountain near Vancouver BC.

Here is what I tried and the results:
1) Developed a feel for a 60-40 weight distribution on flat ground in order to try to reproduce it on the slope.
2) Grabbed my pants at the front knee while on the slope. This helped a lot in keeping my weight centered or forward (but I still leaned backwards on a steeper green; more on that later)
3) Did toe-side falling leaves as Snowolf suggested on the top (steeper) part of the run. I definitely need more time on the toe-edge. Feet start to burn very quickly.
4) On the middle of the run I did heel-side garlands
5) On the lower part of the run, I linked turns. After two goes like this, I was able to link turns from the top of the run!

After the lunch break, my fiance and I went on a steeper green run. I had some challenges here. The run is very narrow (Panorama @ Cypress) so I had difficulty making toeside turns because I was afraid of falling off the side of the run! I also had more trouble keeping my weight forward/centered because the is steeper than the "Easy Rider" run I was doing before. Also, Panorama was much icier due to the higher traffic.

Plan of action: Next week I'll be back on Easy Rider for one run because I believe the challenge on Panorama should make Easy Rider a confident run for me, allowing me to reinforce my learning. After that, I'll go back on Panorama and try to get used to the increased steepness and speed.
Perhaps you're still mentally freaking out about the idea of leaning down towards the base of the hill? It's fairly normal at first, but it's something you'll need to psych yourself out of. I was hoping the tip I gave you about holding your pants/knee while riding would help keep you from thinking about it, so you could focus on your progression & just get comfortable with the position. When you notice yourself getting in the backseat while holding your pants, try grabbing a little further down your leg, or even over your knee cap if needed.

Consider incorporating calf raises into your workout to strengthen them - just give yourself a few days between doing them and riding or your calves will be killing you - especially if you're not used to this exercise. If your heel is lifting in your boots, consider putting j-bars in to hold your heel in place. If your boots are way too big, consider buying another pair in the right size.

That's awesome that you're linking turns down the whole run!!! I'd suggest working on your toe side falling leaf to strengthen that ability & build more confidence in your toe side. If you're having issues turning toe side or holding the leaf toe side, you may want to look up the mountain, as it should cause you to naturally turn a little easier (this should be done as you start to turn toe-side to help complete the turn).

Now that you're successfully linking turns from the top of the run to the bottom, I suggest continuing to do so & consider an easier blue run to try linking turns on. Successful or not here, go back to a green you feel comfortable on & practice some more. When you feel comfortable after a few runs, consider trying an easier blue again, the same or another.

Congrats on the progress so far! Now you just need to practice as much as you can to develop some muscle memory for the rest of this season & the start of next


As far as steering with your shoulder...riding with open shoulders is a really bad habit. Consider steering with your foot & knee. It will hopefully prevent you from developing some bad riding habits that will be difficult to break later down the line
04-02-2012 05:31 PM
wrathfuldeity
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I'm rotating the head, but perhaps not the shoulder. I know I'm supposed to do a slight rotation of the shoulder but I'm fearful of getting into the habit of steering with the shoulders so perhaps I underdo the rotation. I'll try that next weekend

Don't worry about you shoulder steering...hopefully you are already driving with your knee, i.e., torsional twisting. So you just need to get your whole body doing the same thing...starting from the bottom up...knee, hip and shoulder. Btw I still tend to counter rotate my shoulder and tend to look down hill and this past weekend when too tired to bomb; did a few black runs practicing looking back up hill to really engage the toeside to slow down and really control my speed instead of doing open-s bombs.
04-02-2012 04:55 PM
poutanen
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I think the boots are centered. I've had problems with the boots being loose before (twisted an ankle that way once) so I try to make them as tight as possible. I have one of those "easy-lace" boot mechanisms that you pull the laces through these locking devices. I yank the laces as hard as I can and retighten every few runs.

I sometimes get a bit of heel lift, which prompts me to retighten.
Hmmm, it sounds like your boots might be too big for you. This a pretty common when buying boots, as we tend to buy for comfort. Your longest toe should be just grazing the front of the boot (barely) when brand new and standing up. There shouldn't be much heel lift even with the laces only moderately tight.

Having to retighten every few runs is a bad sign. If I tighten my laces too much my feet will hurt because it's actually cutting off the circulation!

FWIW I wear an 8.5 shoe but I'm in 7.5 boots now and they feel fantastic. I had 9s before and thought they fit well until I tried on something that ACTUALLY fit...
04-02-2012 03:16 PM
PNWRider
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Also rotate your head and leading shoulder...alot of newbs want to twist/counter-rotate around and look down the hill. On and going toeside LOOK UP the hill to rotate your shoulder and head.
I'm rotating the head, but perhaps not the shoulder. I know I'm supposed to do a slight rotation of the shoulder but I'm fearful of getting into the habit of steering with the shoulders so perhaps I underdo the rotation. I'll try that next weekend
04-02-2012 03:15 PM
PNWRider
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Are your boots centered on the board? Are your boots tight? Do you have a ton of heel lift? You mentioned foot burn earlier. That happens to me when my boots are not tight and I have heel lift. Just a few things to check out. It also might be a balance issue -
I think the boots are centered. I've had problems with the boots being loose before (twisted an ankle that way once) so I try to make them as tight as possible. I have one of those "easy-lace" boot mechanisms that you pull the laces through these locking devices. I yank the laces as hard as I can and retighten every few runs.

I sometimes get a bit of heel lift, which prompts me to retighten.
04-02-2012 02:05 PM
sabatoa
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QFT! I've seen far more carnage on the tow rope than on any chair lift, especially if the lifties aren't flattening out the track regularly.

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Double QFT

A tow rope was where I had my worst injury, lead to arthroscopic surgery on my ankle. Damn tow rope.
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