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04-06-2012 06:12 PM
ThunderChunky I gotta agree with you there. I don't get where bussiness fell into this. When he says that, yes I can completely understand someone calling him a douche for that. I would, but not for his rescueing or making the video. If this guy was trying to pass this off as anything, but an awareness video I'd start to be pissed.
04-06-2012 06:01 PM
lernr I read it. Also many of the comments. While some people obviously give good advice on the rescue itself, I like the one that said this:

"The only thing I wouldn't have done is to pin a vague business analogy onto the end of the description, I appreciate it's what you do for a living, but I don't think this near-death experience of a friend deserves inclusion into any future powerpoint presentations or anything."

On my end, let's consider what is going on here on a high level: you see someone do a bad job of leading a rescue (first thing take off ski holding person from sinking further ), but still achieve a good end result. This is used to convince me to spend money on dude's company to develop my staff's skills and knowledge. LMFAO. This is retarded

Anyway, this quote from LEAD takes the cake:
"I do know Lee thinks it was perfect."

Really? Then Lee is delusional. I can understand that he's grateful and happy to be alive - who wouldn't be? I would be grateful and happy in his place, too. On the other hand, if he doesn't understand the multiple points of failure, well, I don't really know what to say then.

Once I had to dig myself out while my partner sat at the ridge above the crown. When I finished getting out (which took time and was hard, believe me) I still had to wait for him to get to me, he had not started yet. I don't think this makes him a douche - he was scared for his life, I understand this. He's still a "friend". On the other hand, this did tell me that I should not depend on him in the future. Guess if I rode more bc with him? Maybe I'm weird
04-06-2012 04:55 PM
ThunderChunky Just read the description of the video. Everything you just said is explained in there.
04-06-2012 04:43 PM
lernr I am certainly not perfect at all, far from it.

This guy has the arrogance to ask "Are you prepared, do you have the skills, etc." while he OBVIOUSLY lacks both skills and knowledge. He is NOT a good leader, he was incompetent but doesn't admit it. It's mind-boggling to me that he would show this and try to promote his company, taking people's money. This makes him a douchebag - in my opinion.
04-06-2012 02:02 PM
ThunderChunky Ya, all I'm saying is people make mistakes. Doesn't mean they are incompetent and certainly doesn't mean he's an asshole or douchebag. I'm sure we all don't turn into superman in these situations.
04-06-2012 01:57 PM
killclimbz That rescue was far from perfect, no doubt, but they did in fact rescue him. That is the goal.
04-06-2012 01:35 PM
ThunderChunky Somebody thinks they're perfect.....
04-06-2012 11:03 AM
lernr So now tell me why he shows the danger but don't show how to rescue properly, when he had the perfect opportunity? Right, because what he did, how he communicated, and the leadership exemplified, etc. all SUCK. Tree well dude sure got lucky to be saved despite all the incompetence.

I also think the caveat was added later, after people who know better told the narrator he's an idiot.

Anyway, you are more than welcome to ride with this douche, and use him to train you to be a good leader and communicator. Hopefully, by now he has learned at least how to effectively rescue people from tree wells... I, on the other hand, prefer to stay away from the likes of him
04-06-2012 10:50 AM
Originally Posted by lernr View Post
The intent of this video is to demonstrate and educate people on the dangers of tree wells. NOT a demonstration on HOW to rescue someone from a tree well. If you choose to venture into the back country seek professional instruction and guidance
From the description.
04-06-2012 10:13 AM
lernr Hah, I've seen this video (probably on TAY) - the 'narrator' has his head stuck in his a$$, can't believe he tried to pass this as an example of excellence and is using it as an ad for his consulting business! Talking about communication skills, leadership - either a total idiot or a spin-master wanna-be
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