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06-26-2012 12:16 AM
mrmidWest I'm in the military, so I don't know if my opinion counts, but these guys are both tards and should be denied a chance to be elected/re-elected. Elect someone that is actually going to do away with the Patriot Act and doesn't let their religion influence policy. Also, end the wars and I think the economy has a chance to stabilize till we figure something out. The republican race has been a total joke with the exception of Ron Paul. Running on a religious basis really sickens me. There's a reason there's something called "separation of church and state".
06-25-2012 09:08 PM
CheeseForSteeze On a slightly related, half-hearted note, I've been chronicling and purchasing essential hip-hop albums I consider to be from the "Golden Ages" (~'88 through '92 and ~'93-'97, an enormous project) and Life After Death was next on my list. Re-hearing some old tracks, I must say, this track should be the mantra of both our presidential candidates, particularly the hook:

06-20-2012 01:12 PM
Originally Posted by gprider_capita View Post
Why doesn't everyone just take a stand against the corrupt 2 party system and vote for someone like Gary Johnson. Learn a little bit about other candidates: Gary Johnson 2012
That would be the right thing to do, the problem is the system is so corrupt and self-perpetuating, the only way we could change it to bring in more diversity and equality - would be for its temporary yet total collapse. I do not see anything changing in the American Political System until it basically breaks in half and we have to start over... unfortunately.

Part of this comes in extensive changes to contemporary American culture and values, which people are starting to see as self-destructive and undesirable. People are getting fed up, and the more fed up they get the closer we are to rebooting the computer.
06-20-2012 12:28 PM
gprider_capita Why doesn't everyone just take a stand against the corrupt 2 party system and vote for someone like Gary Johnson. Learn a little bit about other candidates: Gary Johnson 2012
06-20-2012 12:20 PM
jdang307 who knows what race he'll put in concentration camps this time.

06-19-2012 11:58 PM
Originally Posted by CharkieKeaton View Post
The only shit I care about is climate change- aka global warming vaporizing the already shitty east coast snow we had. Fuck them all, they should take mushrooms and breath. pricks.

Still feel ripped off about this past season...
Finally someone interrupts jdang and swolf with something you can actually sink your teeth into

Enjoying the thread guys.
06-19-2012 09:17 PM
Originally Posted by Snowolf View Post
We do not disagree as much as it may seem actually. My views on Market Sicialism are not that far away from your position on a regulated Capitalist Free Market other than the degree and some specifics. We both seem to agree that corruption and the ability of big money to manipulate the democratic process through the obscene levels of lobbying we are now seeing from both sides.

A conservative that I respect greatly is the late Senator Barry Goldwater from the great state of Arizona. He wrote a book that I think you would enjoy called "The Conscience of a Conservative". I found it very informative and based on a lot of good common sense that transcends political partisanship.

Same thing with Reagan. While I have some major issues with some of the things he did, I at least found him to be a rational conservative who would speak out against the out of control influence that this lobbying is having. Reagan also understood that there is a place for taxes and said many of the exact same things as Obama with regard to tax rates.

I object strongly to Romney because of his experience. The things he did at Bain Capital are reprehensible and demonstrate everything I view as being wrong with current manifestation of American Capitalism. Prominent Republicans like Teddy Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Reagan and "the father of conservatism" Goldwater would utterly reject his actions and ideas as immoral and destructive.
I think for most people their positions don't vary widely but the media and politicians do a great job driving that wedge between very reasonable Americans. It's more of a matter of degree usually. I don't agree with laissez-faire, although that's the hallmark of modern conservatism.

I will disagree with Goldwater being the father of modern conservatism. That should be William F Buckley who created National Review, and who's views, writings and activism shaped Goldwater and Reagan.

I guess they are both co-founders/fathers of the modern conservative movement, with Goldwater being the politician. I know why you liked him. He said it himself, he likes liberals and liberals are needed as a counterweight to balance conservatives. I think we can both agree, if one party were to disappear America would go to hell in a handbasket very quickly.
06-19-2012 09:06 PM
CharkieKeaton The only shit I care about is climate change- aka global warming vaporizing the already shitty east coast snow we had. Fuck them all, they should take mushrooms and breath. pricks.

Still feel ripped off about this past season...
06-19-2012 07:12 PM
Originally Posted by Snowolf View Post
I pretty much disagree with all of your points (big surprise there huh?...)
I'm shocked!

but on this issue, we are in agreement. That whole Fast and Furious debacle is right up the with Iran Contra in my book!!! My biggest point of anger with Obama has been his stance on this growing police state and abuse of the Constitution. He pledged to do away with the anti Constitutional USA Patriot act that had turned the United States into an Orwellian nightmare. He pledge do stop Extrordinary Renditions of suspects to countries who use torture. He pledged to close Guantanamo. On every single one of these issues he has not only failed to do what he pledged but has actually made them worse. I think you may actually be correct in that this constant shift to the right and selling out of his base is a result of his inability to be a leader.
Agreed 100%. He is Bush Lite, in some situations he's Bush on steroids. He did indeed make the Patriot Act stronger, and it took Congressional republicans to actually prevent the wiretap law from being renewed. Ooh what a turn of events.

Still, Romney is a douche bag and what he did at Bain is fucked up. I don't want that kind of "leadership" for the country. Obama is way lesser of the two evils. Romney will be the final death rattle of our democracy! As I said, I am a Socialist but fully supported Ron Paul for the executive branch because I place our Constitution ahead of economics. Without that, we are not America and the rest of this shit does not matter.
And that is where we get back to disagreeing. Is Romney a douche? Probably hah, I liken him to the GOP version of John Kerry. But Romney's done some good and he has a track record. Obama is an empty suit. We need someone in there with conviction.

I know you're a socialist and understand your position. I am a capitalist but ... I'm not a laissez-faire proponent. I think sometimes the two get lumped together and that's not right. I'm a pragmatic capitalist which means I still think private sector economy is still key, and that govt. should be strong enough to prevent abuse, fraud but not so big it drags the regular economy down. I know you've given examples of some European nations (I think Sweden and France?) of examples of your market based Socialist system but I just disagree. Sweden is tiny so what may work there won't work elsewhere. France, no thanks.
06-19-2012 05:22 PM
jdang307 That said if you ask me who I think wins, I think it's Obama unless the economy takes a huge dive. Last two incumbents to lose were Carter and H.W. Bush both due to economic issues in my opinion.

Everything that happens from now until Sept/Oct is worthless. I think that's why McCain lost by such a huge margin. At the end of the day, gay marriage, immigration, etc. don't mean shit. As James Carville said, The Economy Stupid.

If the economy shows signs of growth Obama wins. If it deteriorates quickly Romney should win.
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