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11-21-2012 02:51 PM
deepcove
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Originally Posted by Nivek View Post
You mean your son riding park broke a kids board not meant for park? Nice. Why not get him a board meant for park riding like a Custom smalls.

I'd like to see the email you sent about the warranty. Typically an experience like that is preceded by an angry email blaming the brand for a shitty product. Which is not how to get stuff warrantied.

I think its actually kind of funny your basing your experience on a brand based on their kids equipment and one ratchet. Kids stuff isn't meant to take the abuse of the park to be honest. How many kids riding 121's are riding hard enough to break stuff, or even riding park at all? Very few. So why would they spend the extra money to beef up a board way past its needs?

And yes I am basing my opinion on my experience with current Burton products. I was a supporter for years.....I think I still have the photo from 91 with my Craig Kelly Air feeling like i owned the best product available for snowboarding ( cause I have torn the binding inserts out of my Burton Elite Performer) but from what I have experienced their quality is not what it used to be.

Enjoy Union. I know I don't.
I believe the smallest Burton Custom board is a 130? There is not a whole lot of options when you need a quality 120 or under size board. Most boards this size and under are super stiff to say the least. In fact when I was shopping for a 115 ( going from memory that this was the size, may have been 110) the Burton board we looked at only had one binding width option?? Thankfully there are companies like Capita, Lib & GNU who make a board this size designed for park abuse and have some flex and stance width options. My kid now owns 2 Capita Micorscopes and 3 Lib Ripper's.

As for how many kids this size and age are riding hard enough to break stuff....I would agree with you....not many. But you now have manufactureres who are producing product to withstand this type of abuse.

Was my email to Burton angry? It was firm and to the point. Certainly no where near what I have seen you post towards Union on this site.....cause as you said this is not how to get anywhere with a company. And Burton did respond with an appology and asked for my shipping address to fix my issues....never heard back or rec'd anything.


Lonrider

Yes that is exactly where the baseplates cracked.
11-21-2012 01:48 PM
lonerider
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Originally Posted by Nivek View Post
You mean your son riding park broke a kids board not meant for park? Nice. Why not get him a board meant for park riding like a Custom smalls.

I'd like to see the email you sent about the warranty. Typically an experience like that is preceded by an angry email blaming the brand for a shitty product. Which is not how to get stuff warrantied.

I think its actually kind of funny your basing your experience on a brand based on their kids equipment and one ratchet. Kids stuff isn't meant to take the abuse of the park to be honest. How many kids riding 121's are riding hard enough to break stuff, or even riding park at all? Very few. So why would they spend the extra money to beef up a board way past its needs?

Enjoy Union. I know I don't.
I do have to agree with Nivek. I've also had really good experiences with Burton Warranty and I wonder if your "problems" were you ranting to them. Kid gear is by nature cheaper and flimsier.
11-21-2012 01:39 PM
Nivek
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Originally Posted by deepcove View Post
I had my bindings set up properly, been doing this since the mid 80's and wouldn't consider myself a novice. And yes my 9 yr old did indeed break 2 freestyle jr baseplates. Both happened in the same spot......the thin piece on the outside of the binding moulding where the toe strap is held in. The second time it happened the toe strap fell out and was lost.....which Burton refused to replace because only the base plate is life time warranty.....even though the whole reason it went missing was because of the poor quality baseplate. You wouldn't think this is a big deal but when you can't even purchase this part because any dealer you go to says Burton has not got back to them is pretty weak. I won't deny he is very hard on his equipment and rides a lot of park......he also snapped a Burton Chopper 121 the same year.....right along the side edge of the front baseplate.

Nivek

Yes I like my bindings snug and my last pair of Burtons slipped from the day I got them. Over the years I have not experienced ratchet slip with any other bindings including my older Burtons....imo their quality has declined and was stunned by their lack of customer service. This experience has made me open up my eyes to other manufacturers.
You mean your son riding park broke a kids board not meant for park? Nice. Why not get him a board meant for park riding like a Custom smalls.

I'd like to see the email you sent about the warranty. Typically an experience like that is preceded by an angry email blaming the brand for a shitty product. Which is not how to get stuff warrantied.

I think its actually kind of funny your basing your experience on a brand based on their kids equipment and one ratchet. Kids stuff isn't meant to take the abuse of the park to be honest. How many kids riding 121's are riding hard enough to break stuff, or even riding park at all? Very few. So why would they spend the extra money to beef up a board way past its needs?

Enjoy Union. I know I don't.
11-21-2012 01:19 PM
lonerider
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Originally Posted by deepcove View Post
I had my bindings set up properly, been doing this since the mid 80's and wouldn't consider myself a novice. And yes my 9 yr old did indeed break 2 freestyle jr baseplates. Both happened in the same spot......the thin piece on the outside of the binding moulding where the toe strap is held in. The second time it happened the toe strap fell out and was lost.....which Burton refused to replace because only the base plate is life time warranty.....even though the whole reason it went missing was because of the poor quality baseplate. You wouldn't think this is a big deal but when you can't even purchase this part because any dealer you go to says Burton has not got back to them is pretty weak. I won't deny he is very hard on his equipment and rides a lot of park......he also snapped a Burton Chopper 121 the same year.....right along the side edge of the front baseplate.

Nivek

Yes I like my bindings snug and my last pair of Burtons slipped from the day I got them. Over the years I have not experienced ratchet slip with any other bindings including my older Burtons....imo their quality has declined and was stunned by their lack of customer service. This experience has made me open up my eyes to other manufacturers.
Ok, now I'm starting to believe you did install them correctly. Funny, you should mention that you snapped the thin piece of the baseplate that hold the toe strap in... did it look anything like this?



That is my pair of 2005 or 2006 Burton C60 (Burton's top of the line binding). That being said, I was still able to have it replaced.

This is my pair of Burton P1, again... they mailed me a replacement in a week.


This was my friends 2007 Cartels. He tried to drop a frozen waterfall years before Xavier De La Rue did it... Burton replaced it without question


But despite all of this... at least the ratchets always worked great for me I eventually moved to Rome bindings.... and now I'm looking at Flow bindings of all things (which in my head were still the clunky things from the '90s).

I used to be a over-tightener like you, but realize I did that because a) my boots didn't fit me properly and so I was compensating by over-tightening them and the bindings as well b) I was being OCD and doing it for a stupid sense of reassurance (like a child sucking his thumb) and forced myself to stop doing it. I only started doing this in the last few year myself, so I really can't be righteous about it... but I suggest joining me in giving up your "baby pacifier" and tighten your bindings to just snug.
11-21-2012 10:32 AM
deepcove
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Originally Posted by lonerider View Post
Yea, I agree. I don't see what the OP is worrying about. It's like the only problem... is there is no problem.

Chandler, there are many things I don't like about Burton, and I have broken a fair number of their bindings (pretty much all bindings break if you ride them hard enough), but their ratchets are top notch and not flawed.

To me it sounds like deepcove didn't install his bindings properly (they are a lot of adjustments that might confuse a novice who doesn't know how to set things up). I'm skeptical that his 60 lbs son broke two baseplate in one season (I'm only 150 lbs, and it took me a while and lot of crashes to break my baseplates). Again, sounds like user installation error to me.

Like I said, whiel I wasn't thrilled that my Burton binding did break (one highback, one baseplate, one of my friend' heelcup), in all cases the Burton Warranty was super responsive and super eager to help us out free of charge. Burton makes some good bindings, and they make less than good bindings... I don't think you can single them out from any other company really.
I had my bindings set up properly, been doing this since the mid 80's and wouldn't consider myself a novice. And yes my 9 yr old did indeed break 2 freestyle jr baseplates. Both happened in the same spot......the thin piece on the outside of the binding moulding where the toe strap is held in. The second time it happened the toe strap fell out and was lost.....which Burton refused to replace because only the base plate is life time warranty.....even though the whole reason it went missing was because of the poor quality baseplate. You wouldn't think this is a big deal but when you can't even purchase this part because any dealer you go to says Burton has not got back to them is pretty weak. I won't deny he is very hard on his equipment and rides a lot of park......he also snapped a Burton Chopper 121 the same year.....right along the side edge of the front baseplate.

Nivek

Yes I like my bindings snug and my last pair of Burtons slipped from the day I got them. Over the years I have not experienced ratchet slip with any other bindings including my older Burtons....imo their quality has declined and was stunned by their lack of customer service. This experience has made me open up my eyes to other manufacturers.
11-21-2012 06:09 AM
Edge
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Originally Posted by Chandler789 View Post
I've adjust everything on there including rotating the highbacks

I have tried shortening and lengthening the straps to no avail.

Shortening the straps will give you a tighter fit, until it's so tight that you can't even put your foot in. I honestly don't understand the issues you are having. You aren't supposed to be able to feel it. As long as you are tightly binded in, it's perfect.
11-21-2012 05:50 AM
Chandler789
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Originally Posted by Edge View Post
Sounds like a non-issue to me. Get them properly adjusted if you really want them tighter.
I've adjust everything on there including rotating the highbacks

I have tried shortening and lengthening the straps to no avail.
11-21-2012 03:41 AM
Edge Basically, what Lonerider said. It sounds like you are a making a problem where one doesn't exist, but if you want to feel a tighter strap, just shorten the length of it..

Also, unless you have super soft boots, how would you expect to cut off your circulation? No sensible binding is going to get anywhere near that tight.

Sounds like a non-issue to me. Get them properly adjusted if you really want them tighter.
11-21-2012 03:04 AM
lonerider
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Originally Posted by Edge View Post
I don't follow. Isn't it the perfect scenario to be firmly binded in, without feeling strap pressure on your foot?
Yea, I agree. I don't see what the OP is worrying about. It's like the only problem... is there is no problem.

Chandler, there are many things I don't like about Burton, and I have broken a fair number of their bindings (pretty much all bindings break if you ride them hard enough), but their ratchets are top notch and not flawed.

To me it sounds like deepcove didn't install his bindings properly (they are a lot of adjustments that might confuse a novice who doesn't know how to set things up). I'm skeptical that his 60 lbs son broke two baseplate in one season (I'm only 150 lbs, and it took me a while and lot of crashes to break my baseplates). Again, sounds like user installation error to me.

Like I said, whiel I wasn't thrilled that my Burton binding did break (one highback, one baseplate, one of my friend' heelcup), in all cases the Burton Warranty was super responsive and super eager to help us out free of charge. Burton makes some good bindings, and they make less than good bindings... I don't think you can single them out from any other company really.
11-21-2012 02:45 AM
Edge I don't follow. Isn't it the perfect scenario to be firmly binded in, without feeling strap pressure on your foot?
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