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|09-10-2013 04:52 PM|
Since this is becoming somewhat of a repository of Banana Magic reviews here
is another well worded Banana Magic review I just came across:
2012 Lib Tech Banana Magic Review
Stance: 23.5″, 18 negative 12 regular
Shape: Banana rocker but with very mild camber zone under feet, not pronounced enough to be called a C2 banana, but not really a banana.
Bindings: Union Contacts
Daveís stats: 6′, 210 lbs
Leoís stats: 5í9″ 180 lbs
Flex: Lib uses basalt instead of fiberglass to go along with the ďeco-friendlyĒ theme that is taking the snowsurfboard world by storm. The Banana Magic is pretty stiff, probably 7 out of 10 but a fairly stiff 7. For those of you that have ridden the T.Rice, it is slightly less stiff than that board.
Ollie/Pop: Tons of pop.
Handling: The Magic was exceptionally stable at high speed and responsive, quick to roll over edge to edge. Magnetraction actually does work, although itís a little over-hyped. It does give you noticeable performance everywhere but it isnít going to turn that bulletproof blue ice in to powder, you still need to know how to handle yourself.
Leo says: I do agree with David that magne-traction isnít going to turn ice into powder, but it is the best option for these types of conditions. Iíd actually prefer it over my positive cambered stick. I also believe the Magic has a more mellow magne-traction. The Banana Magicís edge to edge power is something else. For the second year in a row of my demoing, it is the best handling board out of the bunch. Short, medium, and long carves are all very fun to engage on the Magic. Itís definitely not the fastest stick Iíve been on, but fast enough.
Jibs/Playfulness: This board wasnít what Iíd call ďplayfulĒ, it was meant to be ridden pretty hard. That said for a stiff all-mountain deck it would be forgiving for an advanced or advanced-intermediate rider. You could probably take it in the park and Iím sure it will excel on the jump line. You could jib with this board but I donít know why youíd want to.
Leo says: I didnít jump with this board this year, but I did last year. Nothing special though, Iíd say it was a 10′er. Popped off a lot of rollers and some bigger moguls. Handled very well and wasnít washy.
Price: Not for the faint of heart, this board should retail somewhere around $700 placing it firmly in to the stratosphere of snowboard pricing, but mirroring an industry-wide trend (more on this later) towards more expensive, premium boards. Click on the "Buy Now" button to compare prices.
Daveís Take: I wouldíve preferred a stiffer binding pairing but anyways this board was the only 5-star deck I rode on day 1 of Test Fest; a blast to ride and very responsive but is definitely geared towards the more advanced riders. The magentraction gave you great edge hold and it carved like a dream. I feel like this is more of a freeride board than an ďall mountain freestyleĒ but if bombing steeps and hitting natural features is your thing, this board is gonna do it for you.
Leoís Take: The Banana Magic was my favorite board last year and I was highly anticipating riding it again this year. I even told David we canít be friends anymore if he didnít like this board. Even with the horrible Union Contacts on this stick, I thoroughly enjoyed it and gave it my only 5 star rating this year. If you are looking to buy this stick, do yourself a favor and put at least mid-stiff bindings on it. Personally, Iíd slap some Rome Targas or Ride SPIs on it. By the way, make sure you know how to ride before hopping on the Magic. Itís for the advanced intermediate and up.
|08-30-2013 04:04 PM|
For what it's worth these reviewers on thegoodride.com agree with my impressions of the Magic. Kind of a nice validation of my opinion that I've stated in this thread.
If your looking for a powerful feeling, stout all around "quiver killer" type board that can do nearly anything during the season the Banana Magic is well worth checking out.
I'm looking forward to winter!
Lib Tech Banana Magic Review by The Good RideThe Good Ride
Size 152, 157 and 158W
Conditions: Mainly hard snow with some patches of softer snow
Riders: James, Peter, Kyle, Stephen
Setup- James Peter and Kyle rode centered around 23″ wide 15 front -15 back. Stephen rode the wide at about 24″ wide Centered 12 front -12 back.
Boots: Burton Ion, Burton Imperial, Burton Ruler, DC Judge, Nike Kaiju
There is the skate banana, the Attack Banana and the Banana Magic. The only thing that all three of these boards have in common is ďBananaĒ in the name. We found this to be itís own kind of ride but the only board I can really think of that itís a little bit similar to is the Lib Tech TRS. They both had that stable all mountain twin (all mountain freestyle) kind of feel that fits a wide variety of riders. If you are looking to go big on the mountain or in the park this will be a good board if you are ok with the excessive price tag.
On Snow Feel: So this seems to be a unique hybrid rocker in the line that they call Enhanced Banana. It has a lot of rocker between the feet and then transitions to a very mellow eliptical camber that is almost flat. What is weird is it feels almost as stable as the C2 Power BTX rides we have tried and didnít feel like the Attack Banana. In soft snow it feels stable and in harder snow it can feel a little bit loose but less than most hybrid rocker boards we have tried. Maybe itís the crazy big ass MTX bumps between the feet holding it in place or maybe it flattens out really well under pressure. Who knows. The cool thing is itís mostly stable. It has a very aggressive but pretty forgiving feel and that is pretty hard to accomplish. Itís not really about buttering and jibbing as much as itís about, exceptional edge hold, picking up speed on the mountain reg or switch, hitting the pipe and going bigger on medium to large jumps.
Powder: We didnít get any deep powder but you can tell this is going to plain well in powder with this design and feel pretty floaty for a Twin. If you like to ride switch in powder then you will really like this board. If you like to set it back you might like Jamie Lynn C2 Power BTX Phoenix or other Mervin boards with a set back stance better.
Turn Initiation and Carving- This is not going to be the easy edge to edge ride that many hybrid camber boards have. When you flex the board it would feel like itís pretty challenging but the hybrid rocker allows the Banana Magic to provide moderately easy edge to edge transitioning. It just takes a little bit more work than most hybrid rocker boards and we like that. Short radius turns are pretty quick but if you arenít a solid rider it could be a little more work to skid your turns than other hybrid rocker shapes. Medium to wide radius turns engage the mellow camber and make the ride feel pretty good. It keeps it fun and gives a little return out of the turn. Drawing this out into a carve is pretty fun. Itís not that springy feel that C3 offers out of the turn but itís a nice compromise between having a forgiving floaty board vs. super great carving board. Just about any kind of turn is predictable and competent. You can lay into a carve better in harder conditions than you can with other boards because of itís massive MTX between the feet.
Speed: This has a fast base, aggressive flex and a pretty damp feel to it. Itís not in the top of the tops in terms of speed but itís really good. It keeps itís speed rather well in the flats and itís fun to haul ass regular or switch.
Uneven Terrain: Usually this type of ride and flex isnít very easy to negotiate mogul like terrain at slow speeds but this does pretty well. It can handle crowded end of the day snow pretty well.
Edge Hold: This has a different Magnetraction side cut compared to any other Mervin board out there. The Magnetraction is massive between the feet and then almost non existent as it extends out towards the tip/tail. It grips like the old camber magnetraction boards and gave me (editior) the feel way back when when they introduced the first Magnetraction Board called the ďmagnetractionĒ. It grips strong between the feet and itís a great ice board.
Flex: This feels borderline stiff torsionally and longitudinally. Itís not a mellow flex.
Switch: The same either way. Itís meant to be ridden both ways. (insert joke here)
Jibbing- NahÖ.it wasnít friendly to us but it can be done if you are a good rider. The flex is pretty stiff here but itís fine for sliding across non technical boxes and hitting bonks.
Pipe: This is one of the better pipe boards in the line. Super Grippy and aggressive while still being relatively forgiving. It drives from wall to wall well and feels at home in the pipe.
Jumps: We felt other boards were more poppy than the Banana Magic in Mervinís line but you sacrifice a little pop for stability at speed. Still we had no problem generating our own air around the mountain and launching kickers in the park was fun as well.
All in all this board isnít going to fit the description that a wide scope of riders describe but some will find this a match made in heaven. You know who you are. The rider that likes to push your riding regular or switch but still have a bit of a forgiving nature in case you push it too hard or feel mellow. Itís one of those rare aggressive boards that doesnít require your A game at all times.
|01-07-2013 01:39 PM|
Back on topic of the 2013 Banana Magic.
I still love the board. We are having a stretch of no new snow now for a couple trips up to the hill and it does amazing well on hard pack and ice. I think I have 13 days on it so far give or take. It might be in my head, but the board feels like it might be softening up and breaking in a little and becoming a little more forgiving with slow speed riding, but then I might be getting more used to the boards stiffness though too. I felt that it forgiving as slow speeds before I think due to it's rocker profile, but it feels slightly more so today if anything.
For what it's worth I still would never call this board "squirelly". I feel that it's stable and confidence inspiring at speeds that make your eyes water inside your goggles. The side cut is aggressive though, so while the board is stable at speeds the side cut likes to really make a hard carve. If you know the difference between a "slalom" side cut and a "GS" side cut, the Magic is definitely on the tight turning "slalom" side of things. This means that if you lean it over to carve it will turn NOW and make extremely tight arcing turns in a carve. At very high speeds this can equate to the board feeling like it turns too quickly in a carve if that's not your style of riding. I used to race slalom way... way, back and enjoy the side cut quite a bit but it might not be your style of riding. I would rather just use less of the side cut in a tun by not committing to a full carve if I choose to rather than not have enough when I want to make tight turn.
As to the board being "chatty" as high speeds. I think what some reviews are refering to is that the nose and tail actually will leave the snow slighly and "thrum" on hard pack (icey) conditions occasionally. I've heard rockered and even cambered ski's do this as well, and certain alpine boards used to do at high speeds when I ran plate bindings when I was running on Mt. Hood's glacier in cold hard pack conditions. I don't feel that it's any thing to be concerned about. The sound is nothing like the high speed nose flapping and shakes I would get from soft freestyle boards at high speed back in the 90's and early 2000's and I don't feel that the "thrumming" that rarely occurs with the Magic is anything to be concerned about. It just means your hauling ass.
Overall I still feel that the Magic is great well rounded board, and I am still super happy with the deck. It's nice to get compliments on it from guys that know what they are doing on the mountain each time I go up. I actually feel fortunate to own it.
|01-05-2013 06:43 AM|
|someguy||I thought that the TRS is especially preferred by pipe riders but still it has this highly scooped nose.. but maybe mostly other features cause this.|
|01-04-2013 07:57 PM|
The highly scooped nose is more for riding deep snow and powder. It provides more float. I think it's a desirable feature for a board to have.
The flatter nose and tail is more for park and pipe where you would want your board to be more consistent in shape.
Is just depends on where what you want to do with the board.
|01-04-2013 11:09 AM|
|someguy||No opinions about that?|
|01-01-2013 05:51 PM|
Comparing the LibTech TRS and the GNU Rider's Choice I found that I like the RC more because of the softer flex, the asymmetric sidecut and the sintered base. But one thing that made me wonder is the different shapes of the noses and tails. The TRS has the nose and tail bent up a whole lot more compared to the RC. I started to think and I can imagine that a stronger bent up nose and tail only has positive effects. With a higher bent up nose you should have better float in powder and the nose shouldn't dive in so easily, right? And also with a higher bent up nose/tail you should have better stability while doing hard bent nose and tail presses / manuals without falling over.
Can you tell me why the RC doesn't have the nose and tail bent up so much? What is the advantage of this shape? I think this is a major disadvantage, but maybe I'm wrong.
|12-12-2012 10:36 PM|
Originally Posted by Brainwashed View Post
|12-11-2012 01:53 AM|
Originally Posted by Weipim View Post
All in the spirit of being friendly and (hopefully) helpful.
|12-11-2012 01:48 AM|
Originally Posted by hktrdr View Post
i just think both of you holds a point and there's really no need to bash each other
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