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12-11-2012 05:36 PM
Extremo
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Originally Posted by 24WERD View Post
The charger uses the atlas stage III base made with carbon injected.

The sl base material changed this current year to no carbon injected b/c of the charger to better diversified b/t the product lines. It is the same base model just no carbon.

2013 charger binding atlas base III = 2012 SL atlas base III ( both carbon injected)

2013 Atlas binding base III = 2013 SL atlas base III (no carbon injected)
I have the 2012 SL. I love the carbon injected baseplate, super stiff and responsive. I wonder if I could just buy Charger highbacks from c3. Had I known they were going to make the charger I wouldn't have bought the SL's.
12-11-2012 03:49 PM
24WERD
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Originally Posted by Extremo View Post
The Chargers are def a stiff binding. They don't use the Atlas baseplate, they use the SL baseplate with is one of the stiffest I've ridden. They're not on the level of stiffness of the Ride El Heffe but pretty close. I wish I had gotten them over the SL's. The SL highback is just a little soft for being a strictly freeride binding. Still rips though.
The charger uses the atlas stage III base made with carbon injected.

The sl base material changed this current year to no carbon injected b/c of the charger to better diversified b/t the product lines. It is the same base model just no carbon.

2013 charger binding atlas base III = 2012 SL atlas base III ( both carbon injected)

2013 Atlas binding base III = 2013 SL atlas base III (no carbon injected)
12-11-2012 01:44 PM
lonerider
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Originally Posted by Cane700 View Post
Nidecker Carbons. I use an old version of these on my very stiff Palmer Centric. Nidecker Snowboards - Carbon Black/Orange

I've used them on everything from icy midwest groomers to Chamonix off piste. Stiff bindings are great but overkill if you ride a more flexy board.
I've ridden two pairs of Nidecker bindings... one was the 800, and the the other was 900 Carbons(?) back around 2005-2007 era. These were very good bindings with an extra thick eva foam pad under the binding (so much so that they came with longer mountining screws). Stiff, responsive and damp. I would recommend Nidecker over the Catek Freeride 2 Pro Evo as they are a better mix of performance and ergonomics/comfort.
12-11-2012 10:53 AM
Cane700 Nidecker Carbons. I use an old version of these on my very stiff Palmer Centric. Nidecker Snowboards - Carbon Black/Orange

I've used them on everything from icy midwest groomers to Chamonix off piste. Stiff bindings are great but overkill if you ride a more flexy board.
12-11-2012 10:32 AM
Extremo
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Originally Posted by hktrdr View Post
Well, the Union/C3 guys do not really seem to be consistent or in agreement on what their stiffest binding is (based on this and this).
In any case, the Chargers might be very well be the stiffest Union binding (note that I did not claim otherwise), but they sure as hell are not the stiffest bindings in the market.
The Chargers are def a stiff binding. They don't use the Atlas baseplate, they use the SL baseplate with is one of the stiffest I've ridden. They're not on the level of stiffness of the Ride El Heffe but pretty close. I wish I had gotten them over the SL's. The SL highback is just a little soft for being a strictly freeride binding. Still rips though.
12-11-2012 08:16 AM
Tackle What about the flux dmcc?
12-11-2012 03:55 AM
hktrdr
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Originally Posted by NWBoarder View Post
Well, the Union and C3 guys I talked with last season all said the Charger is absolutely the stiffest binding that Union makes and sells. I guess they could be wrong, but somehow I doubt it. It definitely was the stiffest Union binding I rode. I don't know that I would go so far as to call it the stiffest out there, but I absolutely would say that it is the stiffest in the Union line.
Well, the Union/C3 guys do not really seem to be consistent or in agreement on what their stiffest binding is (based on this and this).
In any case, the Chargers might be very well be the stiffest Union binding (note that I did not claim otherwise), but they sure as hell are not the stiffest bindings in the market.
12-11-2012 12:43 AM
jbernste03
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Originally Posted by lonerider View Post
I rode a prototype version of the Catek Freerides. They are by far stiffer than my Burton C60 or CO2. I haven't actually ridden the Raidens, but I have seen them in the shop and I'm pretty sure the Catek Freerides are miles stiffer than those as well. It is without question the most responsive strap binding that exists. With the dampening disk thingie, they are also probably one of the most damp bindings made. Finally, the have the Catek baseplate, which allows your to dial in a infinite combination of lift/cant you want.

However, I would not recommend it to most people because the design doesn't have the ergonomics features found in the bindings made in the last 5 years or so, so they aren't quite as comfortable. Frankly I don't think anyone really needs that much customization in cant... (1*,2*,2.5* is probably plenty). Front/Back Lift (i.e. like an adjustable toe/heel ramp) is actually kind of nice... but again, not an essential feature for 99 percent of riders.

I think the Catek FR2 Pro Evo as like a Ferrari. Mostly for people who have ridden a lot of bindings, like to go really fast, have a lot of money, and are looking for something "exotic." However, much in the in the same way a Ferrari or a McLaren is high-performance, expensive and exotic, and probably not the car you want to go buy groceries with, or pick up your kids at daycare - this binding is definitely overkill for "soccer mom" snowboarders.

Those look like the most uncomfortable binders on the planet
12-10-2012 11:01 PM
NWBoarder
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Originally Posted by hktrdr View Post
Chargers have the Atlas baseplate, so they are probably not even the stiffest and responsive bindings from Union (let alone in the market).
Well, the Union and C3 guys I talked with last season all said the Charger is absolutely the stiffest binding that Union makes and sells. I guess they could be wrong, but somehow I doubt it. It definitely was the stiffest Union binding I rode. I don't know that I would go so far as to call it the stiffest out there, but I absolutely would say that it is the stiffest in the Union line.
12-10-2012 04:27 PM
lonerider
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Originally Posted by cjcameron11 View Post
I cant say i have had a pair of these ^ in my hands but i can say that if OP is really looking for a great binding that is super stiff that i can vouch for raidens. The cap strap is awesome, one of the best I've used actually, the airbags are awesome and still responsive and the ratchets are butter.

I have not used the Machines as they were seriously too stiff for me (i weigh 265/270lbs) so i bought the phantoms for great responsiveness and some forgiveness when i fuck up.

IMO for all the features they offer and the comfort you cant go past the machines, the CATEK just don't seem to have the same range of features for a similar price.
I rode a prototype version of the Catek Freerides. They are by far stiffer than my Burton C60 or CO2. I haven't actually ridden the Raidens, but I have seen them in the shop and I'm pretty sure the Catek Freerides are miles stiffer than those as well. It is without question the most responsive strap binding that exists. With the dampening disk thingie, they are also probably one of the most damp bindings made. Finally, the have the Catek baseplate, which allows your to dial in a infinite combination of lift/cant you want.

However, I would not recommend it to most people because the design doesn't have the ergonomics features found in the bindings made in the last 5 years or so, so they aren't quite as comfortable. Frankly I don't think anyone really needs that much customization in cant... (1*,2*,2.5* is probably plenty). Front/Back Lift (i.e. like an adjustable toe/heel ramp) is actually kind of nice... but again, not an essential feature for 99 percent of riders.

I think the Catek FR2 Pro Evo as like a Ferrari. Mostly for people who have ridden a lot of bindings, like to go really fast, have a lot of money, and are looking for something "exotic." However, much in the in the same way a Ferrari or a McLaren is high-performance, expensive and exotic, and probably not the car you want to go buy groceries with, or pick up your kids at daycare - this binding is definitely overkill for "soccer mom" snowboarders.
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