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12-21-2012 05:14 PM
Slush Puppie Surely riding ice or steep ice at that isn't especially different from any other (non-pow) riding...

keep a balanced position, keep you body inline with the board (quiet upper body) Let the board turn in good time, don't force it around - allow it to flow. Get more dynamic with your legs the steeper it is. This will help control your speed and allow you to turn through the fall line with easy confidence.

Soak up bumps with your legs.

Save rotation and other exaggerated movements for adjustment and finesse during the turn only.
12-21-2012 06:18 AM
aiidoneus I think it really depends. In really steep moguls, I personally like to ride by starting the turn with my upper body (shoulder). Then drive my knees hard to get a lot of edge angle and a quick turn. On my heelside, I lead with shoulder again but instead I lean back hard, and bring my mid section forward. This sounds funny, but it keeps my back, and weight better in line with the heelside edge.

The other technique you are talking about, keeping your upper body mostly static, and really only carving with the lower body is quite a bit harder for most I think. The timing and edge transitions are much faster, and the lower body is very dynamic. This is just a guess, but I think if you are too counter rotated doing this, it may be a timing issue. I find just before I am too rotated, the board has lots of energy and wants to pop to the other edge.

P.S. you can't carve on real ice .. You only skid, head to Mont Tremblant out east after rain then a freeze.
12-20-2012 10:15 PM
NoirX252 A video of me riding would be about 120 riding days ago, or 2 years, completely different.
12-20-2012 09:54 PM
Originally Posted by Edge View Post
I honestly don't know if that made sense or not. What the fuck.

Don't skid on ice, you'll die.

Learn to carve, or stay away from ice.
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

OP, post a video of your riding, without that any feedback is impossible.
12-20-2012 09:54 PM
NoirX252 You scare me

You are most likely a snowboard instructor... or an engineer, or both.
12-20-2012 09:33 PM
tdn I don't know if I should be worried that without skipping a beat, I completely understood the OP's first post.
12-20-2012 08:54 PM
Originally Posted by AAA View Post
Haha! ...I just take it that he seems to think stiff is good (restrain comments, please), and is something that needs to be worked on (again, with comment restraint).
Stiff IS Good! Can't "Work On It" otherwise!!!

(Seriously,.. restraint??? ...haven't been around here much lately, eh??)
sorry, lack of snow has made me silly!!! I should be all better by Monday!!
12-20-2012 08:16 PM
NoirX252 Ok, to reiterate, I was mentioning the benefits of keeping your body naturally aligned with your stance angles vs ending up in a counter-rotated position by keeping your body still doing text book aasi-dynamic turns.

Unless it's my inexperience talking, I feel the twisted position resulting at the end of each turn, if doing a complete C, or uphill, puts the rider at a disadvantage, especially on bumpier terrain, although the side effect of ending up counter-rotated is, you naturally are in the back seat, as you should be finishing a turn.

Also, that I think for most riders, and for me too, let's say riding duck +15/-15, doing AASI dynamic skidded turns... leading shoulder pointing DOWN fall line, the result of a toe side turn is often in a "counter-rotated" position, with the board perpendicular to the fall line, with the lead shoulder pointing down (as it should be), however from the toe to the heel side, most people open up, and now the lead shoulder is no longer pointing down the slope, it is pointing more to the side, and more often, they are still looking down, reminiscent of a heel side edge slide, to keep the lead shoulder pointing down often definitely feels like "counter rotation"

I was also experimenting with active "anticipatory rotation", where just as one turn begins, u actively start rotating the other way, and vice versa, almost seems like counter-rotation but it's not, or maybe if you look at it some way, it's pre rotation with an active counter-rotation as you are rotating for the next turn...

I hope this makes more sense.

PS: I definitely know how to carve, any local rider who has seen my riding, knows this is an utter fact, I am trying to work more on different turn shapes, styles... maybe delve into freestyle.

PPS: My idea of dynamic riding is the utilization of the body to create edge angles, including pressure distribution, including different techniques of unweigh, up unweighting, down unweighting, and mid-weighting. WEEEEEEE

Oh yeah the question!
1. So is keep the body aligned better in steep/bumpy sections vs letting the board move about totally independently?
2. is my "anticipatory rotation" fubar, and just keep a "silent" body?
I find the "anticipatory rotation" helps a lot.. with moguls...
12-20-2012 06:43 PM
Casual I just bomb the ice flat and dig my edge in whenever I find some hardpack lol... My edges are way to dull to even bother. So thats my advice to all you beginners trying to ride ice - just bomb that shit flat yo.
12-20-2012 05:57 PM
AAA Haha! Noooo, I did not call him that! The natural fear instinct is to stiffen up. I just take it that he seems to think stiff is good (restrain comments, please), and is something that needs to be worked on (again, with comment restraint).
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