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12-28-2012 10:30 PM
Zenhugh From the GM's response it doesn't seem like Kris was a total douche. He was probably just teaching you on a set curriculum that has achieved success for many students in learning to become efficient snowboarders which was probably how he was taught to teach. Your frustration in my meek opinion came from him not relating to you directly and tailoring the lesson to where you were at specifically. It sounds like they have a set routine they take all new students through and you can either follow their program which will no doubt help get you off your backside and down the slopes or (which I did) have one lesson from the resort staff and then go it alone. I progressed ok but had so many road blocks. I only really progressed fast when I had some advanced riders be patient enough to take me riding and provide instruction.
You will no doubt become a good boarder as your frustration is a response to how determined you are to advance. I'd take another couple of lessons and then just hit the slopes with your mates (buddies) and that girl you mentioned.

Don't worry too much about the difficult terrain as when you do go to other mountains you will kill it. For my first year I thought snowboarding was actually iceboarding (coronet peak NZ - They call it concrete peak).

Good luck and let us know how you go.
12-28-2012 10:10 PM
Chicagoguy OldDog, it sounds to me like the GM is being fair in his response. He's offering you another lesson. Take him up on that when your ankle is better. Although you may not believe him, he probably remembered seeing you since he watched his employee teaching you. Honestly bro, just take it day by day and practice basics. Things are going to click and your going to laugh when you look back at this thread. Life is too short to be pissed off over stupid things. As with any sport, you're going to deal with people you won't like.
12-28-2012 09:34 PM
Originally Posted by EatRideSleep View Post
I thought that dude Kris said he was the best instructor there.
Unless you count the GM and the ski school manager apparently...
12-28-2012 09:15 PM
Originally Posted by OldDog View Post
[B]This is the reply I received from the GM of Shames yesterday.

With that said, I do recognize that you are un-happy, and will gladly give you another lesson. Either myself, or Oliver will give you the lesson to ensure you have the choice in the two most experienced instructors on the mountain. Please contact me directly to confirm details.
I thought that dude Kris said he was the best instructor there.
12-28-2012 08:45 PM
2hellnbak Just keep riding. It took me a long time to get to the point I can ride down anything and enjoy it. Probably 2 years getting 50-100 days the first two years. I started when I was 24 years old. I'm a slow learner and I was a terrible skateboarder back in the day, gave it up because concrete doesn't suit my bones or flesch. Don't expect to progress too quickly. If you have friends that are good riders and they are good friends go with them. Follow them but don't try to keep up all the time, stay within your comfort level. Most of my friends had been snowboarding for years before I ever went. They were pretty forgiving. I've never had a snowboard lesson and I think to this day I should still take one or more and ride it switch (because I SUCK at riding switch).

And to your rack issue, get a bag for your board and run the hitch mount it'll keep the crap off your board if you go that route. Besides, if you can ride a bike down a steep incline and snowboard I think you should be able to lift your bike on to the top of your FJ Just razzin ya. Enjoy
12-28-2012 08:43 PM
Richie67 Woes of a noob? I'd say more like woes of an instructor and manager who has to listen to a yapping little bitch.
12-28-2012 07:38 PM
Originally Posted by Slush Puppie View Post
I've gotta be honest, that seems like a reasonable and professional response to me.
Yeah I have to agree actually from the perspective of someone outside looking in. I am a pretty big dick myself and can usually detect these types of things and not once did I say something like "I want to punch this dude in the dick". I would just take him up on his offer for another lesson when your ankle is all cool and go shred the shit out of something. Just my opinion.
12-28-2012 07:30 PM
Slush Puppie I've gotta be honest, that seems like a reasonable and professional response to me.
12-28-2012 10:44 AM
OldDog This is the reply I received from the GM of Shames yesterday.

Interesting eh?

1. Doesn't address the bragging, lack of professionalism, or general lack of ability to relate to an adult.

2. Is it just me or is the tone a little off for a reply to a customer service issue?

3. Based on what I can find online the AASI stopped teaching the pendulum or falling leaf after 2009. I can't find anything online specifically about this issue related to the CASI. Anybody have an idea?

4. Is it just me, of did this guy just accuse me of crank calling this instructor? Really? Obviously I'm not the only one who wasn't impressed with him, but to accuse me in response to my complaint? Are you fucking kidding me?

Oh and I'm supposed to believe this guy watched me out the window or even remembers who the fuck I am? Kind of gotta call bullshit there too.

Anyway, the reply starts here:

Thank you for your feedback about your lesson with Kris on opening day. Both positive and negative comments are important to us. Having been an instructor myself for over a decade before moving into management, I understand the department very well. Snowboarding is not an easy sport to learn. From my extensive experience, it typically takes three lessons before someone gets the hang of things.

The first lesson you learn the basics about the board and learn to sideslip on one edge going towards the left or the right (pendulum or falling leaf). This is not only still taught, but an essential skill to master. Side slipping left and right still gets me out of some sticky situations.

The second lesson, is where you learn the same skills on your opposite edge.

The third lesson, is when you link both skills into turns; switching from one edge to the other.

If you come back to the mountain, Oliver Riberdy, our ski school director (CASI Level 4 who certifies other instructors) will gladly go through the CASI manual with you to assure you that Kris followed the regular and normal procedures.

I watched your lesson from the cafeteria window and was very impressed with your progress. Kris your instructor was also impressed, after the lesson he told me he couldn't believe how fast you had progressed. In my opinion you basically progressed more then 3 lessons worth in two hours. It is very rare that a student graduates to the chairlift in their first lesson.

Kris has also recieved a number of compliments in the last few days; one even asking me to give him a raise because of how great he was with the man's child.

With that said, I do recognize that you are un-happy, and will gladly give you another lesson. Either myself, or Oliver will give you the lesson to ensure you have the choice in the two most experienced instructors on the mountain. Please contact me directly to confirm details.

On a diferent note, my instructor tells me he recieved a blocked txt to landline message Dec. 26th after midnight. He said the message was very rude, talked about his instructing and threatened his job. I truely hope this was not you. Kris has a wife and kids, that kind of thing in the middle of the night is uncalled for.
12-26-2012 01:54 AM
cocolulu A couple things:

1. The instructor was a douchebag.
2. Not all instructors are the same. Some instructors click with certain students, others have styles that click with others.
3. Don't waste your time, sanity and energy boiling over a 2 hr lesson and $120 (or however much it costs). Learning to snowboard is a long, never-ending road, filled with pain, frustration, stagnation, and eventually triumph. 1 lousy instructor will just end up as a blip on a very long shit list, which could include injuries, board damage, collisions, encounters with asshole riders, or god forbid, crappy snow.
4. You need to learn skidded turns. Those are your brakes. You can't do dynamic linked carved backside 1080 triple whatever... unless you do linked skidded turns first. When my legs burn, I stop along the side, take a break, and enjoy the view. Eventually, things will get easier on your body as you get better.
5. You have to learn a lot more than just speed control to get down a blue or black (with any degree of elegance).
6. There is no basic way of getting down a blue or black run without skidding. If there was, they would be basic runs instead of 'expert' or 'intermediate' runs.
7. If you want to stop skidded turns, you're probably going to be doing either carving or maybe hop turning. Neither of them are simple, and you're probably not going to learn to do them overnight.
8. You're allowed to vent, and I think the nice people on this forum will commiserate. But you won't get any better unless you put it down, and get out there and try again.
9. Try taking lessons again, and if you find a good instructor, request him or her again.
10. Most of the time, when I take a lesson, I don't exit the lesson any better than when I went in. But the instructor gives you a framework of thought, and is usually pretty honest about pointing out errors. They also encourage you to tackle runs that you normally wouldn't do, and provide an environment where it's ok to fail and learn. In the long run, lessons helped.
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