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02-22-2013 12:22 AM
Jules Winnfield [QUOTE=briancgrs;757282]Two reasons actually, I demoed it and felt it was a little stiff for what I was looking for although it was a very fun and poppy board, and super light... Also I found the arbor on sale for 270$$ and heard good things so I thought I'd just try something different. I do love the way the westmark rides but it will be retired after one season.... I'm debating between the evo and possibly the bataleon boss for next years board... But haven't decided yet. I do still have my 161 SL and ride that still too.[/QU

how was the proto compared to your sl
02-22-2013 12:11 AM
Jules Winnfield
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Originally Posted by Sudden_Death View Post
They aren't. Smokin' does as well as another I can't quite think of. Possibly Camp 7? One of the lesser known brands Wiredsports carries anyway.
my bad. just never heard of those companies.
02-22-2013 12:08 AM
Sudden_Death
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Then why is NS the only company to offer a 3 year warranty....
They aren't. Smokin' does as well as another I can't quite think of. Possibly Camp 7? One of the lesser known brands Wiredsports carries anyway.
02-22-2013 12:02 AM
briancgrs
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why did you not go proto
Two reasons actually, I demoed it and felt it was a little stiff for what I was looking for although it was a very fun and poppy board, and super light... Also I found the arbor on sale for 270$$ and heard good things so I thought I'd just try something different. I do love the way the westmark rides but it will be retired after one season.... I'm debating between the evo and possibly the bataleon boss for next years board... But haven't decided yet. I do still have my 161 SL and ride that still too.
02-21-2013 11:56 PM
Jules Winnfield
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Originally Posted by briancgrs View Post
I have rode NS almost exclusively since about 2005-2006.... I have only had two SL's in that time and have had 20+ days every year and both basically still look brand new and have zero core shots on the base. They hold up awesome! So ill let those guys "who think its cool" keep makin my boards cause they are durable an last!

I switched it up with n arbor westmark this year and that is NOT a durable board.
why did you not go proto
02-21-2013 11:53 PM
briancgrs I have rode NS almost exclusively since about 2005-2006.... I have only had two SL's in that time and have had 20+ days every year and both basically still look brand new and have zero core shots on the base. They hold up awesome! So ill let those guys "who think its cool" keep makin my boards cause they are durable an last!

I switched it up with n arbor westmark this year and that is NOT a durable board.
02-21-2013 11:44 PM
Jules Winnfield
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Nope. Would you rather have someone who's career is manufacturing make your board, or someone that thought It'd be cool to make boards?

The chinese factories pump out waaay more boards and thus the people have run that many more through their hands. The automation is more acurate than a human can be.

This isn't to say that NS, Signal, Mervin, etc. aren't putting out quality products with good finishes. But you'll find more minor issues with more hands on production boards than those with a little more automation.
Then why is NS the only company to offer a 3 year warranty....
01-03-2013 08:43 PM
jliu
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Its not a materials or general build difference, its build process. The way its done overseas is really just better than most if not all the factories here. NeverSummer might stay rideable for a very long time, but something like Ride, K2, or Echelon is going to feel like day 10 longer than a NeverSummer. And you absolutely pay to get that eagle logo on your board.
Thats pretty interesting. I would've thought that NS' high quality fiberglass layups would've played a positive role in preserving the pop and camber profiles of their boards.
01-03-2013 07:56 PM
scotty100
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Originally Posted by Nivek View Post
In the ride qaulity no. I'm having boat loads of fun on my current deck, one of next years Signals. But even me, who used to make them, will say they fall to some of the same longevity issues as the other US made brands. One thing that does help them is they do not finger join their cores. Every length of core glued together is one solid piece tip to tail. And that matters. It means a more consitent break in. And for quality control I see things in my shop from Ride, Burton, Salomon, etc. that very well might have been pulled aside as B's at Signal. That comes down to a numbers game though. Signal does maybe a third at best of what Ride does. And the factory Ride is coming out of is also doing many other brands. Less boards through QC means they can spend a little more time on the board and catch more minor details like that.

As far as selecting quality people for the factory, meh. I ended up being one of the best grinders Signal has had, but they hired an 140lbs kid with little upper body strength to do the hardest physical job in the factory. Granted I think they wanted me to quit since they really didn't NEED me at the time, but yeah. And they've had enough turn around in the 9 or so years Dave and Marc have been running Signal that the crew they have right now is stellar. Amazing people and I dont think twice about riding what comes from their hands. Anyway, the job doesnt take a lot of technical skill. All that needs to be assessed is if the person can handle hard labour, deadlines, and repetetive work. That fits a lot of people. And the culture in China caters to that type of worker. Second to costs of operation, that's why most product manufacturing is out of China.
Just to clarify - where you think US-made boards fail in comparison to Chinese made boards is in longevity and that's down to what exactly in the process (if it's not to do with materials etc.)?

As an aside, I'm really interested in trying a signal board. They get good reviews all round. And I like the design aesthetic...what do you think of their new custom option a la the nike id system? I think it's pretty cool...I'm surprised they can do this profitably given the size of their operation.
01-03-2013 05:56 PM
Nivek In the ride qaulity no. I'm having boat loads of fun on my current deck, one of next years Signals. But even me, who used to make them, will say they fall to some of the same longevity issues as the other US made brands. One thing that does help them is they do not finger join their cores. Every length of core glued together is one solid piece tip to tail. And that matters. It means a more consitent break in. And for quality control I see things in my shop from Ride, Burton, Salomon, etc. that very well might have been pulled aside as B's at Signal. That comes down to a numbers game though. Signal does maybe a third at best of what Ride does. And the factory Ride is coming out of is also doing many other brands. Less boards through QC means they can spend a little more time on the board and catch more minor details like that.

As far as selecting quality people for the factory, meh. I ended up being one of the best grinders Signal has had, but they hired an 140lbs kid with little upper body strength to do the hardest physical job in the factory. Granted I think they wanted me to quit since they really didn't NEED me at the time, but yeah. And they've had enough turn around in the 9 or so years Dave and Marc have been running Signal that the crew they have right now is stellar. Amazing people and I dont think twice about riding what comes from their hands. Anyway, the job doesnt take a lot of technical skill. All that needs to be assessed is if the person can handle hard labour, deadlines, and repetetive work. That fits a lot of people. And the culture in China caters to that type of worker. Second to costs of operation, that's why most product manufacturing is out of China.
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