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01-08-2013 10:58 PM
ig88
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Originally Posted by SJ10 View Post
That actually looks pretty good to me but I'm still not exactly clear on what the issue is.

Could it be some asymmetry in footbed length that's causing this (illusion)? I noticed my diode ests seem to have different footbed sizing than my reflex bindings.

Does your centering method take into account board taper?

For what it's worth I think you have an excellent combo there. You may just have to go with feel even if it doesn't look exactly how you want it to.
Yeah I second that. I cannot seem to appreciate the issue here. The setup does look good to me ...... of course look can be deceiving.

My feelings are that you will be having fun and a blast too with this nice combo of gear. But do report back after your rides.
01-08-2013 10:22 PM
Nivek It looks fine, however a solution might be to get smalls instead of mediums. That will push the whole boot forward in the binding thus eliminating the need to push the whole thing all the way toeside.

But yeah, its the angle indicator in the base that is holding you back.
01-08-2013 07:51 PM
SJ10 It's got to be the position indicator then since your angles are clearly within the limits. I suppose you could mark the binding angle somehow and then take out the indicator. I'd try it as is.
01-08-2013 04:27 PM
cricketsmoke
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Originally Posted by SJ10 View Post
That actually looks pretty good to me but I'm still not exactly clear on what the issue is.

Could it be some asymmetry in footbed length that's causing this (illusion)? I noticed my diode ests seem to have different footbed sizing than my reflex bindings.

Does your centering method take into account board taper?

For what it's worth I think you have an excellent combo there. You may just have to go with feel even if it doesn't look exactly how you want it to.
It looks okay although I haven't taken this combo out yet to get a feel for it. I just put the bindings on it, but the Cartels worked great. It appears close to center but there's no more adjustability to move to the toe side if I have to.

I can only guess that's it's either the foot bed or the position indicator. No one around here stocks these bindings since most people play in the park where I live. Sadly, I'm too old to start that now.

I could understand a difference between an EST binding and a Reflex binding although both my binding sets are EST.

The taper was taken into account.

Friday I'll just have to run it down the hill a bit and see what happens.
01-08-2013 03:38 PM
SJ10 That actually looks pretty good to me but I'm still not exactly clear on what the issue is.

Could it be some asymmetry in footbed length that's causing this (illusion)? I noticed my diode ests seem to have different footbed sizing than my reflex bindings.

Does your centering method take into account board taper?

For what it's worth I think you have an excellent combo there. You may just have to go with feel even if it doesn't look exactly how you want it to.
01-08-2013 03:33 PM
Lamps
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Originally Posted by arrrmaty View Post
I've always hated burton's binding systems. Now they managed to create a system with infinite adjustability. To me, infinite adjustability = infinite opportunities to get a headache from frustration.
So to have zero headaches you should buy a board with no adjustment. Zero adjustability = zero opportunities to get a headache from frustration
01-08-2013 02:39 PM
cricketsmoke
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Originally Posted by KIRKRIDER View Post
Do you ride with "0" Angles?
Nope, 15 in front and -7 in the rear.

Part of my expectation in mounting the Diodes is that the same foot angles and stance width could yield similar centering on the board as the Cartels had. This is not true following my method of centering the bindings. The Diode cannot be centered although the Cartels can and have flexibility adjusting in either direction, if needed.
01-08-2013 02:21 PM
KIRKRIDER Do you ride with "0" Angles?



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Originally Posted by cricketsmoke View Post
I purchased a new (off the shelf) 2010 Supermodel X board and new 2013 Diode EST bindings, separately. The bindings are a size medium and I also have size 8.5 Imperial boots. When i mounted the bindings, I had to move them as far to the toe side as allowable. The back (right) foot is still off center, although slightly, to the heel side. I had an older pair of Cartels mounted on her prior to these. The Cartels were centered on the board yet the back foot binding still had a quarter (or more) of its travel left to move closer to the toe side if needed (I'd guess 1/4-3/8 of an inch without actually measuring). Attached are some pictures which might help see my issue. Is there anything I can do to get these bindings more on center and not be maxed out for travel?

The above paragraph was sent to Burton and they didn't offer much help when I called in to discuss this. They stated that it is doubtful that I would drag the heel, which I agree with, and that I could angle the binding some more. Being that this is a directional board I only angled the back binding -3 degrees originally. I did increase that to about -7 degrees and of course it's better but it's also not the answer I was looking for. I do not ride switch on this much like I would on a twin. Burton did ask what my concern was and it is that even if the set up rides well I am out of adjustment should I need to make any.

Anyone have some advice or run into this issue? Could the issue be the bindings?
01-08-2013 02:18 PM
cricketsmoke That's nothing I've ever read before, only to measure/view the toe and heel overhang then compare. I'll measure the angles. Thanks for the input.
01-08-2013 12:44 PM
poutanen
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Originally Posted by arrrmaty View Post
I've always hated burton's binding systems. Now they managed to create a system with infinite adjustability. To me, infinite adjustability = infinite opportunities to get a headache from frustration. My advice- buy a different brand of bindings and board.


OP, you're on the right track with it just being the indicator holding you back. If you wanted to you could push your bindings another inch towards to the toe side.

Although I think the main issue here is how you're measuring overhang. You want to strap the boots in, then lift the toe edge while pressing the heel edge into the floor/counter. When the heel or heelcup touches measure the angle (a lot of smartphones have anglemeter apps these days, or just use cardboard). Do the same with the toe edge until it touches.

It looks to me like your bindings are fine in fact they may need to go back towards the heelside a bit!
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