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01-27-2013 09:05 PM
tokyo_dom It might have been a small factor, but the new strap is definitely much tighter.

With the toe strap on the front position, the right side would skip much less than the left side. With the toe strap moved back, it hasnt changed on the right side (still skips unless i hold the front of the clip), but that is manageable.

The warranty returned strap however, doesnt matter what i do, it just grips and grips. Havent had it slip once yet.


And after a day out on the snow, i can confirm that i am happy with the bindings again. Still not the easiest to put on, due to the curvature of the ankle strap etc (definitely have to sit down to do them), but they are comfy, and have just the right amount of flex for me. Also changed my stance to +15/-15 and no longer have sore knees.

For the boots, i took out the insole of the right side, and used some thin suit socks instead of sports socks, and no more pain there. As that side pads out I can put the insole back in, and then also eventually move to thicker socks.
01-26-2013 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by tokyo_dom View Post
Burton replaced the toe-strap (both the cap and the ladder/tongue), and the shop also made some adjustments to show how they should be for my size boots (mounted the toe strap to the back mounting position so its leaning more forward than up)

This was probably what was causing the misalignment to begin with. I'm surprised someone didn't mention it earlier.
01-25-2013 07:47 PM
tokyo_dom Ok update time. As i said I brought the left binding back to the shop for warranty, and i got them back just now. Burton replaced the toe-strap (both the cap and the ladder/tongue), and the shop also made some adjustments to show how they should be for my size boots (mounted the toe strap to the back mounting position so its leaning more forward than up)

Night and Day. The new toe strap doesnt skip at ALL anymore. To the point where its actually a bit catchy taking it off, but I dont mind that at all. Its to the point that the right side toe strap now feels a bit skippy (since that is only done up twice a day i am not so worried about taking time on that side)

Also turned out my gas pedal was out too far (under toe pad) so I now have them mounted on my board with proper setup, and they feel much better.


I want to thank everyone that contributed on this thread, especially BurtonBindings - not sure if you said something to the Japanese warranty team, but they gave me a much better one in return. Looking forward to trying them out tomorrow!
01-24-2013 08:42 PM
tokyo_dom Ok disregarding the part about me twisting the buckle (because i can guarantee that i am holding it straight, it is only by 'twisting it' that i can get it to engage), can you explain more about the mis-adjustment of the toe slider and/or the position of the tongue & slider of the baseplate?

I have not made any any adjustments to the mounting points of the straps; I have only extended the straps a single hole so that they seem 'centred' when looking down at the top of my boot.

Some previous posters suggested looking up youtube for instructions on setting up these other adjustments, but i did not see anything that related to the 2012/13 Mission Restricteds

I also couldnt find a single bit of info about this supposedly reversible ankle strap. How do i reverse it? Left side strap flipped and used on the right side? Just flipped to the other side of the same binding?


Also another point after re-reading some of the previous comments; is it possible to get the toe-strap from a Cartel/Malavita/high end boot and fit it to the Missions? Can you buy spare parts like that? I figure i would only want it on the strap that gets the most abuse - my left-side toe strap
01-24-2013 07:45 PM
BurtonBindings the misalignment is due to mis adjustment of the toe slider and / or the position of the tongue and slider of the baseplate as it relates to the boot shape and size.
it's also compounded by the user twisting the buckle during use, sending a pitch into the system which make the buckle teeth drive into the one side of the tongue.

it can be compensated for by using a stiffer TPU, but the tongues would break more often because people habitually step on them.

Trust me when i say this having the Smooth Glide buckle being around for a decade; if Jake or our team felt it was fundamentally flawed; I wouldn't be making bindings for them.
01-24-2013 06:53 AM
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Thanks for the response (even if it was mainly for AssasinMonLV). As for the twisting of the hand, I spent some time looking at the angles of the teeth vs the ladder strap. It might be hard to see from the picture i put up, but it was off at an angle compared to the strap sleeve. In order for it to have any traction, i actually had to twist it the other way, while applying a fair amount of pressure to the front of the ratchet. Simply applying pressure straight down was not enough.

But the shop assistant agreed with me, and he had a very hard time ratcheting it down as well, which is why it is off for warranty repairs at the moment. Its a pity that they werent one of the privileged shops to get spare parts, because now i am left hoping they can get the binding back before the weekend.

Spare parts aren't going to solve this issue. This this is just a function of the Burton design. I currently own 2 sets of these straps and they both do the same thing. Same with my Flux, although less so than the Burton. I also owned a set of Technine Team bindings in which this problem was much worse.

What happens is as you ratchet the toe strap the cap tightens and conforms to the toe of the boot. This creates a misalignment of the ratchet and ladder (or tongue as its referred to by BurtonBindings), and thus you have the skipping. So you can't really ever get them as tight as you can a Union, Ride, or Raiden toe strap because the more you tighten the burton cap the more out of alignment it becomes. Flux's design is better and as long as you keep the cap in alignment (which I find is relatively easy) you can tighten it all the way without any skipping.

You don't find this problem with Union, Ride, or Raiden, regardless of which position the strap is in, probably because they don't use a true cap as burton does and thus doesn't have the same twisting effect that this type of cap creates.

Another problem is the burton ratchets are quicker to release, they have a longer lever and it pivots and lifts easier than a Union or Ride ratchet design, which adds to this problem.

This is my personal experience with the ratchets. I understand others may have had better experiences and no problems at all.
01-24-2013 12:34 AM
tokyo_dom Thanks for that, i will call him tonight when i finish work.
01-23-2013 11:55 PM
BurtonBindings Nope. You have a great set up.
And your buckles are actually functioning fine although new tongues may be in order after the season. Ride them, you'll be fine.

Now or then, call rider service in Japan and ask for Kaz, the hardgoods specialist. Explain your situation and tell him that Chip in Bindings asked you to talk to him specifically. He and i will sort the details and Burton will send you parts after our conversation.

If that's too much off a hassle, walk into Murasaki in Shibuya and they should have parts for you.
01-23-2013 09:00 PM
tokyo_dom
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3. the issue that tokyo_dom is experiencing is due to this:
- the metal lever is attached to metal teeth in a single component. the tongue is a softer polymer call TPU (thermo poly-urethane). The metal, a cast molded 6061 Aluminum, is wearing the teeth on the TPU tongue because the users hand is twisting the lever a little bit. It's common and it's not that big of a deal. In fact it basically happens with every buckle and tongue combo in the industry.
Thanks for the response (even if it was mainly for AssasinMonLV). As for the twisting of the hand, I spent some time looking at the angles of the teeth vs the ladder strap. It might be hard to see from the picture i put up, but it was off at an angle compared to the strap sleeve. In order for it to have any traction, i actually had to twist it the other way, while applying a fair amount of pressure to the front of the ratchet. Simply applying pressure straight down was not enough.

But the shop assistant agreed with me, and he had a very hard time ratcheting it down as well, which is why it is off for warranty repairs at the moment. Its a pity that they werent one of the privileged shops to get spare parts, because now i am left hoping they can get the binding back before the weekend.


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This buckle which is featured on all Burton Bindings above $200.00 USD, has more parts, enough that we can only afford to put in on higher end models due to how many parts it has.
Oh how it sucks to be me here in Japan
Mission Snowboard Binding | Burton Snowboards
Mission Restricted Retails at 34,650 yen, or $390 USD at current exchange rates. I was extremely lucky to have found a pair at a much lower price than that - but still over $200 USD

Mind you the bindings are the least of my problems now as the 39,900yen ($450 USD) retail Ambush boots appear to have inner boot inconsistencies that make them unbearably tight on one side only - even after spending a few hours walking around town like LiL-wayne. I suppose this is also one of the lower end boots in the US though :-/
01-23-2013 07:49 PM
Supra ^^^ great post


and I wasn't joking. I have to admit though, I have never ridden Ride or Rome bindings. I did pick up some capos and another pair of Ride's in the store 2 days ago while I was waiting for my wife to get some stuff. All I could think was how Burton's manufacturing is so smooth compared to Ride's.
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