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01-22-2013 05:03 PM
RVM I did some instructing in Tahoe for the 2010-2011 season and they were pushing me and pushing me to get into skiing. They gave me free demo rentals for the season and set up classes for the snowboard instructors to get lessons from our ski instructors. On busy days there were never enough ski instructors.

Even 3 years ago we had twice as many ski as we did snowboard classes.

I did the skiing thing for a few weeks but ended up hurting my toes pretty bad. Was told I needed to get some better boots and have them fitted for my feet and to expect to spend at least $1000 for all that even with my proforms.

Skiing is fun, and there is definitely something to be said for going down the hill face first, but I can't justify the cost of learning it when I still have so much left I want to improve on with snowboarding.

The one thing I hated about skiing was the fear of knee injury. I've sprained my right MCL twice and that was painful and debilitating enough. I can't imagine shredding an ACL or some crazy shit on skis.
01-22-2013 12:09 AM
pzull I started skiing 30 years ago and just recently tried snowboarding as my teenage daughter passed a comment that "old people ski because snowboarding is too difficult for them". Well I did garlands and falling leaf on my first run (after watching video on, linked turns on my second run ever all this in first hour of riding. I was a skateboarder 40 years ago so it felt very familiar. So those wanting to pick up snowboarding in one trip should just learn skateboarding in summer and in winter they'll be riding within the 1st 2 days - guaranteed.

I have been riding way more this season than I've skiied and noticed that some skiers would hassle me as a noob snowboarder going slower than them everytime they passed me. I also thought before that snowboarders were a wild and unruly bunch when I was a skier as they would hassle me when I skiing slowing, but since I ski alot faster than I ride (way faster) and I would give chase and an incident follows....especially the time a snowboarder knocked my 10 yr old into a ditch (other side of run was a cliff - I shudder to think what would have happened if he was on the other side). He didnt stop or anything. Reported him to the resort...but nothing. Anyway my point is A-holes will be A-holes whether they ski or ride, they're everywhere, it's life.

One trend I noticed though were my foreign friends from Asia. They were avid skiers skiing 2 different countries every year. As time passed, their entire family switched progressively to snowboarding. Just a few weeks ago, 3 families of skiers vacationed with me in Whistler and they are ALL snowboarders now all 12 of them. I asked why and the reason is Dad is the one that needs to pack and mostly carry all the gear and help the kids get into hard to get into ski boots. All the dads decided snowboarding was more travel friendly. Boards without bindings all pack flat and lighter than skis. Kids can put on boots themselves and bindings don't need adjusting for size and DIN each time junior's feet grows. I heard a forth family they know just switched to snowboarding as well.

I still choose to use my skis when conditions are icy or when I want some speed.

But yes, this season I see much less snowboarders than last year...even number of snowboard instructors has reduced
01-21-2013 04:14 AM
jojotherider I started my daughter on skis. I figured it would be easier for her to get to a level where she could explore more of the mountain sooner than she could on a snowboard. So far, I've been right. She's able to wedge around and cruise green trails instead of just the bunny hill. My goal was to get her in the mountains and just enjoy it up there. Mission accomplished. This is her 4th season on the snow and she's only 5 1/2.

I also skied in the past and picked up a pair of hybrid camber skis this year (used market). That was mainly because I quit skiing and picked up a board right before shaped skis came out. I can still ski pretty well, but I don't have the same connection as on a board. The board is going to remain my main sliding tool for the foreseeable future.

What I think is happening is that skiing is shedding the high society image that someone mentioned earlier. So kids are able to dress how they want and ski how they want. Its no longer just about burning moguls and running gates. Remember when Johnny Moseley's trick in the Olympics caused a huge stir because he went upside down? Remember when freestyle ski jumping was more akin to gymnastics? Remember when doing tricks was just called Hot Dogging? I think the article got it wrong. Skiing isn't cool again, its just not as lame.

Also, just so everyone knows, my daughter has been asking about snowboarding. I may or may not do it this year. I would like to get her skiing blue runs before making the transition. Plus, the snowboard gear I already have for her doesn't fit yet.

01-21-2013 02:18 AM
wrathfuldeity School ski bus...the numbers are down...imo due to economy...4-5 years ago we were taking 5-6 bus loads of kids this year 2 bus loads. The past 2 years there have been more skiers but this year there are more boarders on the buses. The little hill has had more tourist the past 2 years (perhaps due to bad snow years in other parts) but the number of pass holders are down (due to economy). The daily lift rate only rose slightly but generally considered a bargain compared to other hills. And this past saturday, the enitre afternoon, was helping/coaching a skier kid right off the bunny hill down his first black runs...he did great.
01-20-2013 11:28 PM
Originally Posted by Snowolf View Post
Funny thing is I have actually coached a ski lesson while riding a board. I have not taken up the ski thing as it is just not something I am even remotely interested in. I am at a point in my life where I don`t really need to and I certainly don`t coach to earn a living so I am only going to do so much and being a skier is`nt on the agenda for me.
right on bro,right on
01-20-2013 10:14 AM
Donutz Snowboarding doesn't have the counterculture/rebel vibe any more. I've heard teenagers say they switched to skiing to try something different. So now I guess snowboarding and skiing are competing on an equal basis. Which means among other things, you have the difference in learning curve between the two. Most everyone agrees that skiing is easier to learn (at the beginning) than snowboarding, so I guess a drop in new boarders is inevitable.
01-20-2013 10:03 AM
Originally Posted by Snowolf View Post
Where I ride on Mt. Hood, I am seeing a huge decrease in the crowds overall. While we are not having anything other than a mediocre winter, even on epic powder days, it is now rare for all parking lots to fill when just a few years ago, people were being turned away on peak days.

Now there is something I am seeing in my coaching activities that does seem to support the author`s opinion. In area ski schools, there is a HUGE increase in demand for ski lessons and a drop off for snowboard. I have never seen so many snowboard instructors having to cross train into skiing just to get work. Area resorts are paying their snowboard instructors to take ski lessons and are giving them free season rentals to free ski more to get more proficient at skiing so they can teach to higher level skiers. I am definitely seeing a noticeable trend favoring skiing over snowboarding for new people getting into snow sports.
question,would you do it if they ask you? i've seen more new people go for ski lessons than snowboard except yesterday, the bunny hill was full of riders and i thought that was cool.
01-20-2013 08:34 AM
Originally Posted by mikez View Post
I know a few very good multi-discipline folk who have opted for skis and only really bring their boards out for heavy powder surf days. They insist skis are just easier and more flexible.
I'll agree here. I don't even think of grabbing my snowboard on a hardpack day, and on big powder days skis have the advantage when the terrain flattens out. My rockered fat skis have as much or more surface area as my powder board, and I can't say I miss having to swim out of deep snow lying down on my board.


I like snowboarding simply because of how it feels. Skis might have as much flotation and more adaptability, but those factors only are a part of the equation. Snowboarding in deep pow gives me more of a feeling of euphoria for some reason. I don't understand why really, because I'm sliding on snow either way but facing sideways versus facing forward.
01-20-2013 07:01 AM
Originally Posted by poutanen View Post
Here's my favorite quote from the article...

"One reason may be that snowboarding simply doesn’t have the rebel cachet that it once did. Skiing has appropriated everything from snowboarding’s swagger to its trendy clothing to technology like fat skis. Simply put, it’s cool to be on two planks again."

Oh god no. No it isn't. Like rollerblades vs. skateboards this recent surge of young kids wanting to ski instead of board will soon pass.
I think there's something in this. Snowboarding is great - especially in powder - but let's be honest here, you can do everything on skis now too (probably more, and faster). In Europe, at least, snowboarding is no longer "cooler" than skiing.

I know a few very good multi-discipline folk who have opted for skis and only really bring their boards out for heavy powder surf days. They insist skis are just easier and more flexible.
01-19-2013 02:26 AM
BurtonAvenger You think I don't know we had snow 3 years ago? Kind of lived here for almost a whole decade kid. Should do your facts and check the economy along with the local tax roll and see where our money for your free bus comes from.
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