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08-25-2008 04:53 PM
BurtonAvenger 390's are a good match up for that board. Also check out the K2 formulas as well I've been rocking them on my 58 sl.
08-25-2008 04:51 PM
SnowHound I'm 160-165 and ride a NS SL 155 with a pair of 390's. It's a great set up. If I were you I wouldn't ride anything bigger than a 155 if your going to do all mountain.
08-25-2008 04:37 PM
danmkiv
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Originally Posted by BurtonAvenger View Post
They can catch oh believe me they can catch. Hardest scorpion I ever had this season was doing a frontside nose butter on my 56 Turbo Dream up at Baker. I ate shit so fucking hard I thought I was going to pop my shoulder out again! But if you look at the new Burton LTR boards th ey have something like either a concaved base or next to no camber, can't remember, but anyways they will help someone without crutching them. I think this because unless they only ever ride a reverse camber board they will at some point step on to a regular camber board. I bounce back and forth from all kinds of boards and realistically the only thing that makes it difference is what kind of terrain I'm riding with it during that day. It does make certain terrain easier to ride like flats, I hold speed way better in a flat because the contact points are raised up and not dragging which is nice when I'm going from peak 8 back to peak 9 in Breck.

Shouldn't be I still own regular camber boards and with the amount of boards I demo I know I'm not going to be riding reverse cambered boards always.

NS rocker isn't like a 3 stage rocker so its not going to ride like say K2, Rome, capita and its not a concaved base like MErvin and Nitro.

The reason you hear people talk about how a board is wishy washy is that you need to make the nose/tail stiffer in those boards to prevent it from being too soft. Most companies didn't take this into consideration so it would just fold when you'd come down and land on it. The other thing you need is better edge hold, this is where magnatraction and vario power grip come in those hold way better than a traditional edge.

With a NS you get their known ability to dampen so it will absorb chatter better than a traditional deck. Its so hard to reduce chatter in a board thats more of a place for the bindings and boots to do it.

Rocker definitely hasn't taken away the difficulty of snowboarding for me, but it has made certain things easier to do like press, butter, and ollie. Instead of having to preload the tail now I can ride it more like a skateboard and slap it down on the fly and pop.
Thanks a ton for your input. I am pretty hell bent on putting in an order for a 155 Neversummer SL now. Would last year's rome 390 bindings work well with this board? I'm 5'10 and 135-140lbs - I was riding on a 157 , but I feel like it may have been too big for me. The 158 would probably be too big.
08-25-2008 03:13 PM
BurtonAvenger
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I was talking shop with the guys and one real benefit to rocker from what I gather is that these things are nearly catch proof which is going to make learning on one a lot easier I would imagine. If this is essentaily true, something that came to my mind is that if a person learns on a rocker, will they develope riding habits that are going to make riding a standard cambered board difficult for them? Is it a bit like learning to drive with an automatic and never learning to drive a stick?
They can catch oh believe me they can catch. Hardest scorpion I ever had this season was doing a frontside nose butter on my 56 Turbo Dream up at Baker. I ate shit so fucking hard I thought I was going to pop my shoulder out again! But if you look at the new Burton LTR boards th ey have something like either a concaved base or next to no camber, can't remember, but anyways they will help someone without crutching them. I think this because unless they only ever ride a reverse camber board they will at some point step on to a regular camber board. I bounce back and forth from all kinds of boards and realistically the only thing that makes it difference is what kind of terrain I'm riding with it during that day. It does make certain terrain easier to ride like flats, I hold speed way better in a flat because the contact points are raised up and not dragging which is nice when I'm going from peak 8 back to peak 9 in Breck.

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This is my fear...that this style of riding will not only take getting use to for me, but once I adjust on a reverse camber board, will it be difficult for me to go back?
Shouldn't be I still own regular camber boards and with the amount of boards I demo I know I'm not going to be riding reverse cambered boards always.

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I have heard the auto vs. stick analogy, and I am the type that drives stick. I don't like it done for me. I really just need to try one of these boards to see for myself because I have a feeling I will be pleasantly surprised after a few runs. Especially with the NS SL. The benefits seem to vastly outweigh a conventionaly cambered board.
NS rocker isn't like a 3 stage rocker so its not going to ride like say K2, Rome, capita and its not a concaved base like MErvin and Nitro.

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Sometimes on a conventionally cambered board I feel like I always have to be "on top of it" in certain conditions...I'm constantly putting small inputs to correct catching an edge (even going straight --->chatter). An inexperienced rider can get pwned if they don't watch it with the edges...my feeling is that this technology will reduce the amount of effort required to ride. I feel like I will not get worn out riding as easily on a rocker board. Is this a good thing? Well, I don't want to take away all the difficulty in snowboarding - yet it would be nice to eliminate some things like chatter and board instability . One thing I do NOT want to feel is wishy washy. Sometimes I hear people saying that rocker boards have a mind of thier own. I don't believe I can go wrong with the new NS SL...everyone raves about them.
The reason you hear people talk about how a board is wishy washy is that you need to make the nose/tail stiffer in those boards to prevent it from being too soft. Most companies didn't take this into consideration so it would just fold when you'd come down and land on it. The other thing you need is better edge hold, this is where magnatraction and vario power grip come in those hold way better than a traditional edge.

With a NS you get their known ability to dampen so it will absorb chatter better than a traditional deck. Its so hard to reduce chatter in a board thats more of a place for the bindings and boots to do it.

Rocker definitely hasn't taken away the difficulty of snowboarding for me, but it has made certain things easier to do like press, butter, and ollie. Instead of having to preload the tail now I can ride it more like a skateboard and slap it down on the fly and pop.
08-25-2008 02:25 PM
killclimbz The rocker boards are a bit of a different ride for sure. I think the beginner rider will find them easier to learn on and at that level through intermediate switching over to a regular cambered board might throw them. For the seasoned vet, I doubt there will be any problems. I have demo'd several rockered and regular cambered boards in a day, and guess what? It was just snowboarding to me, differences aside. I never got to take out the vario grip NS board BA was trying out last season. I am looking forward to taking one of these out for a spin at the dealer demo days.
08-25-2008 01:06 PM
danmkiv
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Originally Posted by Snowolf View Post
I was talking shop with the guys and one real benefit to rocker from what I gather is that these things are nearly catch proof which is going to make learning on one a lot easier I would imagine. If this is essentaily true, something that came to my mind is that if a person learns on a rocker, will they develope riding habits that are going to make riding a standard cambered board difficult for them? Is it a bit like learning to drive with an automatic and never learning to drive a stick?
This is my fear...that this style of riding will not only take getting use to for me, but once I adjust on a reverse camber board, will it be difficult for me to go back?

I have heard the auto vs. stick analogy, and I am the type that drives stick. I don't like it done for me. I really just need to try one of these boards to see for myself because I have a feeling I will be pleasantly surprised after a few runs. Especially with the NS SL. The benefits seem to vastly outweigh a conventionaly cambered board.

Sometimes on a conventionally cambered board I feel like I always have to be "on top of it" in certain conditions...I'm constantly putting small inputs to correct catching an edge (even going straight --->chatter). An inexperienced rider can get pwned if they don't watch it with the edges...my feeling is that this technology will reduce the amount of effort required to ride. I feel like I will not get worn out riding as easily on a rocker board. Is this a good thing? Well, I don't want to take away all the difficulty in snowboarding - yet it would be nice to eliminate some things like chatter and board instability . One thing I do NOT want to feel is wishy washy. Sometimes I hear people saying that rocker boards have a mind of thier own. I don't believe I can go wrong with the new NS SL...everyone raves about them.
08-24-2008 11:31 PM
Simply^Ride I have yet to demo one these boards, but I am anxious to do it. Living in fucking Florida doesn't helps, ill try to demo one in January and maybe get one by the time end of these upcoming season.
08-24-2008 11:18 PM
BurtonAvenger Rocker was done back in the 80's people just don't remember it. But with all the new materials and how boards can be built. I think some versions will remain and some will fucking fail.
08-24-2008 10:41 PM
Simply^Ride
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Originally Posted by BurtonAvenger View Post
Like a champ they put a new sidecut on it called the vario power grip. If you look down the sidecut of the board you'll notice that there's a slight kink in it that creates a very small contact point. This lets it grip in really well and hold on all conditions. I've been riding a 58 rockered sl since the first 10 came off the presses.

Do you think this new rocker idea is going to revolutionize the snowboarding industry, that in a few years every board out there will be build with some sort of rocker into it?
08-24-2008 10:03 PM
BurtonAvenger Like a champ they put a new sidecut on it called the vario power grip. If you look down the sidecut of the board you'll notice that there's a slight kink in it that creates a very small contact point. This lets it grip in really well and hold on all conditions. I've been riding a 58 rockered sl since the first 10 came off the presses.
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