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|10-17-2008 02:27 PM|
-geez.... same here on the spelling. I think some of ma brains leaked out.
|10-17-2008 02:05 PM|
Oh btw the IPCC findings were shown to be grossly wrong. I remember something about their model being amazingly fubar.
Haven't read up on the others in your list though so I have some research for this weekend, thanks
|10-17-2008 12:44 PM|
Year Without a Summer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Mount Tambora - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
|10-17-2008 12:34 PM|
double quarter punders are awesome!
|10-17-2008 12:10 PM|
Fear drives only more fear and panicked "studies" and fills the pockets of people spreading more fear. All fear does is create anger and eventually you begin to hate what you fear and yourself for being fearful of it. It's a never ending cycle of suffering and control and I don't like it.
And don't get me started on computer models. You're talking about a process that we handed off to a computer to handle. A computer program that was written by the lowest bidder. I can count on one hand the number of computer models for anything that haven't been an utter cocked up mess.
On a side note, I have no idea what's up with my typing lately. I could blame the keyboard for these god awful typos but I think I may just be getting slightly more retarded by the day.
|10-17-2008 10:40 AM|
Oh and BTW. You're pointing to a government study as impartial? Read this one about how half of government scientists surveyed were pressured by officials to alter there reports.
US climate scientists pressured on climate change - earth - 31 January 2007 - New Scientist Environment
Also don't forget to take into account that not only are we increasing the CO2 in the atmosphere but we are rapidly reducing the planets ability to recover by destroying forest and polluting the oceans, which in turn kills plankton, producer of 70% of the O2.
|10-17-2008 10:36 AM|
As for going green... if you don't really do it for climate change, it is just better for the environment. Less pollution in major cities will make the air better to breath. Water cleaner to drink, etc... Plus, some thing will just run out in time. Using renewable sources is a better way to go.
|10-17-2008 10:18 AM|
To be clear, I give studies funded by oil companies the exact same weight I give studies funded by large "green" fund raising firms. That weight is exactly dick. When the people writing the results of the study know who is giving them the money, they skew the results to whatever said funder wants to hear. This is why medical studies are all blind. The people writing the final summary have no idea who funded it, who the drug company is etc etc. This keeps them objective.
If a company that's huge on "zomg we're all gonna die from the pollutionz" gives you a big ass grant to perform a study, you're going to "find" what they want to hear. You want another grant later. Go with the independant studies. The ones not funded by a "green" fundraising panic group or an oil funded "gas is good!" group.
Here's a start. I know this is scary, but you'll actually have to get it from some place other than the internets!
I don't need to have a degree to read an actual study. I just need to read the study itself and not some summary of the study that someone else wrote or worse some news agencies interpretation of the study. Keep in mind the same mindless douche nozzle's that are screaming we're going to die today were screaming it in 1971 except they were screaming that the world was getting colder.
Oh and my numbers were wrong I had to go back and look them up. We're responsible for 3% (THREE PERCENT) of CO2 emmited. That's every human on the planet. Decaying organic material (plants animals etc), volcanos and forrest fires make up the other 97%. We should ban Decaying plants. Fuck them!
The point is we've spent all this time and money trying to panic over c02 when in fact, c02 isnt even the culprit. If we send people into a silly panic with bad data, we'll over look the real reason. Maybe we are causing climate change by eating pistacios? Who knows, we sure as hell don't. And we'll never know if we keep pounding back bad science. All while telling developing countries they can't have their industrial revolution because of their evil c02z.
|10-17-2008 12:11 AM|
Originally Posted by slimpanzee View Post
|10-17-2008 12:06 AM|
Oy ok. Out of all the carbon dioxide produded every day, 90% is non man made factors. Shit we can't control like volcanos. That doesn't mean we shouldn't work on reducing emmissions and going or staying green but all this fear based propaganda is making me sick.
Fact: We do not know what is causing climate change
Fact: We don't know for sure if we impact climate change or not. We suppose so, but we don't know
Fact: Going green is good and can only help
Fact: We have no idea if we can fix climate change or even if we should
The simple fact is, we know as much about the reason for climate change as we do the surface of mercury. Trying to scare people into changing won't do a damn thing and is the wrong approach. Going green because it's just a better way to go IS the way to go about getting people to change. Setting an example IS the way to go about getting people to change as well.
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