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03-13-2013 02:23 AM
Boardsnower
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Originally Posted by Casual View Post
I am speaking from personal experience.

Good vid for feedback. Your back arm is reaching forward which is causing what CheeseForSteeze is saying about opening up causing FS rotation, he nailed that one. Popping will help as mentioned, not too hard but enough to set you up in the air, riding off like that tends to cause you to stay at the ramps trajectory, which is what happened to you there... backseat all the way. I have to say though that ramp does look pretty rutted out and shitty, I tend to find another jump or just go hit rails when the jumps get too rutted out because its just no fun and it can cause you to get hurt.

Here is a screenshot of your body position, you need to get that back hand over your board again so your shoulders are parallel and straighten your back a bit, your leaned over a bit at the hips. If you get that hand back you will run straighter and you won't start to feel rotation on the ramp and in the air.

I'm no expert, but I notice that a lot of pros and other experienced riders will often stick their rear arm straight back (over their tail) when approaching a large kicker. This may aid in balance and help to avoid opening up the shoulders, which can lead to the accidental frontside spin initiation.

I don't know if that technique is correct form (fundamentally), but it's something I've observed a lot.
03-13-2013 01:01 AM
Casual
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Originally Posted by Snowolf View Post
I think you may have taken my comments as suggesting to pop off from an edged board which I was not.
Fair play, I just like to be as clear as possible when explaining things like this to a progressing rider. Advanced riders have the ability to feel an edge, pop off an edge and know how to counter these types of motions.
03-13-2013 12:58 AM
tokyo_dom Sweet, thanks for the advice.

I guess it was the rutted ramp which was causing me to get worried about flatbasing. Granted this was in the afternoon, and it seemed like that day it was mainly beginners out there (soo many people wiping out on the knuckle due to low speeds, last minute bailing etc).

Glad i did go back to basics with my jumps; lots to learn here
03-13-2013 12:52 AM
Casual I am speaking from personal experience.

Good vid for feedback. Your back arm is reaching forward which is causing what CheeseForSteeze is saying about opening up causing FS rotation, he nailed that one. Popping will help as mentioned, not too hard but enough to set you up in the air, riding off like that tends to cause you to stay at the ramps trajectory, which is what happened to you there... backseat all the way. I have to say though that ramp does look pretty rutted out and shitty, I tend to find another jump or just go hit rails when the jumps get too rutted out because its just no fun and it can cause you to get hurt.

Here is a screenshot of your body position, you need to get that back hand over your board again so your shoulders are parallel and straighten your back a bit, your leaned over a bit at the hips. If you get that hand back you will run straighter and you won't start to feel rotation on the ramp and in the air.

03-13-2013 12:32 AM
CheeseForSteeze
Re: Straight airs and flatbasing

It's not much but a bigger jump (looks like a 20 foot stepdown) means more speed and air which will exaggerate even slight technical problems.

The first thing I do every season is reup on my "air balance". I hit as many side hits and rollers as possible until I feel good again and then try some smaller jumps. You know your balance is good when your jumps feel clean, smooth and quiet.

I don't think you need to go back to basics, just go to some smaller jumps and work back up. Also, that inrun is pretty messy and could use a raking; that also was throwing your balance off.
03-12-2013 11:53 PM
tokyo_dom Thanks for the tips.

Interesting to hear about the open shoulders... Dang i guess it is back to basics

Wont get to go boarding this weekend, but have plenty to look forward to the following weekend.
03-12-2013 11:44 PM
CheeseForSteeze
Re: Straight airs and flatbasing

Your stance is countered (open) which tends to cause frontside rotation; that's why you're fighting for balance in the air.

You also never popped. The pop sets your trajectory and gives you control and stability. Fix both of those and your straight airs will clean up.
03-12-2013 11:11 PM
tokyo_dom Just for reference, i track pretty much dead straight when jumping and cant remember the last time i stacked it from off out of balance (though i am working on reducing arm movement in the air)

@Curious, are you saying this because "Its what they say to teach", or from personal jumping experience over bigger jumps? That is certainly not meant to be an insult, but looking at vids of Cr0 and his crew, they do some jumps i wouldnt dream of hitting yet

Here is a video a friend took of me last weekend; its very short, but its the only one that shows my approach to the jump. I basically just rolled off that launch (yet it was enough for me to land halfway down the landing spot). I did this flatbased, and you can see the board is both squirelly going up the ramp and then also in the air (though probably due to my arm movements)




*patiently waiting to hear that i am virtually doing everything wrong and should go back to leafing practice
03-12-2013 09:07 PM
Casual
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Originally Posted by Snowolf View Post
Sure, you can pop off of the lip totally flat based but it is a little dead feeling.
Snowolf I agree with you most of the time but on this one point I do not at all. I get tons off pop off a flat base, just as much as off my toe edge. Now one technical detail to point out, you always jump off your toes even from flat because that's the way the human body works as you extend your legs, you don't need to be on an edge as you go up the ramp for this to happen.
03-12-2013 08:53 PM
Casual I'm saying there is more of a chance you will launch off balanced and crash taking off an edge for a straight air then catching an edge on the run in. I suppose both are possibilities.

I'm obviously getting some opposition here but that doesn't sway my answer. Like I said, AASI & many many other resources teach to pop off a flat base because it is the safest way for a rider to pop off a feature with balance and carry that balance in the air through to the landing.

Here are several videos I consider good quality instruction that show this technique. If somebody can show me a good video that's teaching to pop off an edge I'd like to see it.

Watch them, they all say it clearly, several times as well as making sure to say do not go off on any edge.

jumping with jussi straight air - YouTube
Intro to Jumping from Snowboard Addiction - YouTube
Learn How To Snowboard: Straight Air | Snowboard Tricks For Freestyle Snowboarding - YouTube
Straight Air Snowboard Trick Tip with Robett Hollis - YouTube
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