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12-08-2013 10:26 AM
neachdainn
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Originally Posted by neni View Post
If he would own one, I absolutely would try it but he only did ride one on a demo day (fresh and very soft groomers - so very limited experience with it. He decided against it due to the pronounced magtrack, assumed that for high speed carving on hadpack, edges would bite too much, but that's guessing and not actual experience. He still tends to also get a Flagship, will give a longer one a try in Jan, since he was very excited with it when trying mine for a day on hardpack.)

I've no clue what "disengage" could signify... dictionary didn't come up with a translation I could figure out the meaning for snowboarding (we both ride +/+ angles).

Can't comment on this backseat/front foot difference since I haven't ridden the xv. I'd assume I don't ride in the backseat, my front leg is the one that has to work most and gets sore muscles, hind leg is the lazy steering leg

Really can't say if she would like either of them, don't know the models she owns already, so I can't compare. Depends on what she expects from the board, what you aim at riding. I'd say, it's less a question of if she can ride them - I'm convinced with strong legs and determination one can ride most boards - it's more a question if she likes the compromise (stability vs agility). My main requirements were float and stability at high speeds, for which the Flagship is perfect. The compromise in less agility I have to balance with my legs, which is ok for me. Sure, in challenging narrow terrain I would get tired sooner than with a more nimble board, but we mostly ride steep open alpine terrain and there it shines.
By disengage, I mean that once you have an edge set, it took a noticeable effort to get it to release at the end of your carve. Might have been the conditions and the speed. I found it didn't like going anything under 1000 km/h
12-08-2013 09:07 AM
neni It's the same for me if I try minus (iirc it was -6) . Guess, you tried to stay with your hip parallel to the edge? My hip/shoulders are about 20 (rough guess) rotated from the edge and I can rotate the hip within the extreemes of almost parallel to the edge (e.g. for traversing on backside edge), up to orthogonal to the edge (e.g. to put all weight on front foot to gain speed straight down). With minus angles, forced to "open hip", body still tries to ride like that and hind knee feels exploding.

There's no theory or conviction behind that, it's just how my first board was set up 20y ago. If they would had set it up duck then, I'd probably ride duck today and feel fine as well. But my blance and muscle memory are used to that position now and I don't have the nerve learn "all over" again.
12-08-2013 08:02 AM
OU812
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Originally Posted by neni View Post
His +30/+15, mine +21/+9 (at the moment)
Had +30/+15 many years as well but reduced them step by step last season to get a better chance to pick up riding switch. Feel comfortable with everything between 30 down to 21 front, and 15 down to 3 back. Below, it gets akward.
I tried +18/+6 just at home on the carpet. Strapped in, stood up to see how it felt getting up off the ground, moved around a bit and felt awkward and had pain in my right knee after like 2min of standing, not good. Couldn't imagine +30/+15 I need that negative angle in the back I guess.
12-08-2013 07:42 AM
neni His +30/+15, mine +21/+9 (at the moment)
Had +30/+15 many years as well but reduced them step by step last season to get a better chance to pick up riding switch. Feel comfortable with everything between 30 down to 21 front, and 15 down to 3 back. Below, it gets akward.
12-08-2013 07:12 AM
OU812 neni, curious as to what your binding angles are on your boards?
12-08-2013 05:28 AM
neni
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Originally Posted by Casper View Post
Did I see you make a post somewhere that your husband has an XV? If so, any chance you might give it a try and post your thoughts?
If he would own one, I absolutely would try it but he only did ride one on a demo day (fresh and very soft groomers - so very limited experience with it. He decided against it due to the pronounced magtrack, assumed that for high speed carving on hadpack, edges would bite too much, but that's guessing and not actual experience. He still tends to also get a Flagship, will give a longer one a try in Jan, since he was very excited with it when trying mine for a day on hardpack.)

I've no clue what "disengage" could signify... dictionary didn't come up with a translation I could figure out the meaning for snowboarding (we both ride +/+ angles).

Can't comment on this backseat/front foot difference since I haven't ridden the xv. I'd assume I don't ride in the backseat, my front leg is the one that has to work most and gets sore muscles, hind leg is the lazy steering leg

Really can't say if she would like either of them, don't know the models she owns already, so I can't compare. Depends on what she expects from the board, what you aim at riding. I'd say, it's less a question of if she can ride them - I'm convinced with strong legs and determination one can ride most boards - it's more a question if she likes the compromise (stability vs agility). My main requirements were float and stability at high speeds, for which the Flagship is perfect. The compromise in less agility I have to balance with my legs, which is ok for me. Sure, in challenging narrow terrain I would get tired sooner than with a more nimble board, but we mostly ride steep open alpine terrain and there it shines.
12-08-2013 12:02 AM
Casper I have an XV 164 W, thinking about getting a smaller one for the wife, or the Flagship.

I'll let her try mine, but looking for additional input from other women who have had the opportunity to they them.

She has very strong legs and I think is a better rider than I am.



I completely agree with what you said about your demo. I have the same comments about the board. Although the conditions I got to ride in I didn't notice any difficulty in disengaging.... except when I tried Alpine + + stance with the bindings.
12-07-2013 11:50 PM
neachdainn
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Not sure if Rossi will demo boards at a close mountain or not. I've seen their tent, but I think they might have only been doing skis.

Jones I doubt will. Probably have to go to Tahoe for that, or to even be able to possibly rent a Jones board.

The big demo day at the close mountain I've seen Rome, Gnu, Burton, Flo, and I can't remember the other 1 or 2.

She has 3 boards right now. Morrow Wildflower 154, Gnu Velvet Guru 150, and Burton Fishcuit 150.

So the Freeride board would be mainly for the backcountry.


Did I see you make a post somewhere that your husband has an XV? If so, any chance you might give it a try and post your thoughts?
I've ridden the xv (Rossi did a demo day at one of my local mountains), and it was very, very, very stiff. That being said, it was super fast, and really stable through the choppy stuff. Really held an edge well... Need strong legs to disengage.

I'm a big guy too, and this board was a little on the short side for me... So it's a lot of board to handle.

That being said, it might be your cup of tea. I hear it and the flagship are very similar, but the flagship is a little more suited to "backseat" riders, whereas the xv is a little more front foot oriented.
12-07-2013 11:01 PM
Casper Not sure if Rossi will demo boards at a close mountain or not. I've seen their tent, but I think they might have only been doing skis.

Jones I doubt will. Probably have to go to Tahoe for that, or to even be able to possibly rent a Jones board.

The big demo day at the close mountain I've seen Rome, Gnu, Burton, Flo, and I can't remember the other 1 or 2.

She has 3 boards right now. Morrow Wildflower 154, Gnu Velvet Guru 150, and Burton Fishcuit 150.

So the Freeride board would be mainly for the backcountry.


Did I see you make a post somewhere that your husband has an XV? If so, any chance you might give it a try and post your thoughts?
12-07-2013 08:51 PM
neni
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Originally Posted by Casper View Post
I was looking for a good freeride board for the wife. All I heard at shops and demo days was about for women to NOT ride a men's board.
Had similar experience in several shops/demo tents . But I also experienced the contrary. When I wanted to order a split and had the women's Solution in mind, the go-to shop guys tried to talk me into a 162 Volkl split or a men's Solution

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But I was wondering how a wider and stiffer board would perform for her on hard pack, grooms, etc.

I was looking at the 156 Mothership and 158 Flagship similarities and diffs, trying to decide which I should get for her since they are so close except for stiffness.

But with the positive results I see in this thread, I think the choice is now between the 158 Flagship and 159 Rossi XV.
The comments in this thread were early in the season, we had cold days (groomers mostly stayed perfect the entire day) and piles of fresh pow. For these conditions, the Flagship is pure fun, and I can't wait to get it out again. However, in spring, when groomers are chewed up soon and one rides mostly crud n moguls, I learned, that the board also has a disadvantage: it's harsh on chop (read as: damn exausting plank ). Ended up buying a second board for these resort crud afternoons. Wouldn't recommend it as a single quiver board. Was trying lot of different boards meanwhile, and it's still my favorite one for its on rails feeling.

Did only some laps on a Mothership 152. Felt very different, soft and nimble, what I actually liked. But can't really compare it to the Flagship in terms of chop and speed stability (the demo run open that day was soft and not steep enough to gain proper speed). Can't judge, how stable it is. Will get a 156 to demo for some days in Jan. Hope, we'll have piles of fresh like last year.
Can't she demo both of them?
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