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04-02-2013 08:36 PM
jtg Interesting description about the bowling ball balancing on the RC/C2 profile. That's what I was feeling. I remember like 8 years ago before my boarding hiatus, I only got out a few times, but I still had no feelings of instability "flat basing" and that was on a cambered deck.

With the C2, even though it's been said to keep weight forward, I still feel like weight back is more stable. I can't really reconcile this because "heavy end wants to go first" is logical, but it feels like shifting weight forward is when the squirrel kicks in.

I wonder if this is because putting the weight forward is actually centering it right over the middle rocker section, briefly causing you to lose both front and rear contact (or at least heavily unweight them). Maybe when I think my weight is forward, it's actually centered. Perhaps on these C2/RC decks, it would be reasonable to say:

Centered flatbase: Worst
Rear-heavy flatbase: Better, but not ideal
Front-heavy flatbase: Best

On a camber board, centered weight puts maximum engagement on both points, and even if you favor one or the other, the profile will naturally put some pressure on the other point. That would make it easier for beginners to do that.

On a full rocker...well who knows, all bets are off

That makes me curious about trying it on a C3 profile:


I haven't ridden a board like that, but I'm curious now. It would be nice to have the camber stability but I'm not sure I'd sacrifice it for float.
03-29-2013 03:51 AM
behi
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Originally Posted by Snowolf View Post
In powder or on groom? If in powder, where and what was the moisture content?
Fresh powder that was run over by a groomer - groomed powder.

Off trail, the fastest I've done is around 50mph. Snow set for a few days, pretty dense, temperature a little below freezing.

My board planes really well; 33cm tip/tail width, 28.6cm waist. I often have not-so-steep powder mostly to myself, since everyone else is going too slow to have much fun...
03-28-2013 10:44 PM
Deacon
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Originally Posted by neni View Post
this "to flatbase or not to flatbase" topic seems to hit a sensitive spot, kind of a religious thing... Anyway. I actually didn't want to resume the flatbase discussion but was interested if someone else does this "more weight on hind foot" at top speed.

BTW. Just cause one thinks it's reckless doesn't automatically mean that there's not someone out there who does so
No sensitivity here, just good humor.
Just like Cass, I put more weight forward on my camber the faster I go. I could see how a rocker might be more stable at a high speed leaning back some. Explains why I see all the park rats standing on their back leg when they're bombing hills.
03-28-2013 09:23 PM
MarshallV82
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Originally Posted by CassMT View Post
on a camber its more weight to the front, increasingly so with speed..thats what i do anyhow and i havent biffed on the cattrack in 20 yrs

going thru this thread, to me, any controversy on all this is just funny
Yeah, lots of science here for such a simple issue. I don't really pay attention to what I do though, I just ride. I haven't had such problems either. I refuse to teach new people how to board though, I suck at it and get mad if they get frustrated or give up. I just make them take lessons so I can enjoy my day.

OP is most likely mind fucked by now.
03-28-2013 08:59 PM
CassMT on a camber its more weight to the front, increasingly so with speed..thats what i do anyhow and i havent biffed on the cattrack in 20 yrs

going thru this thread, to me, any controversy on all this is just funny
03-28-2013 08:54 PM
neni
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Originally Posted by The Deacon View Post
Suddenly I hear calliope music from a merry go round....
this "to flatbase or not to flatbase" topic seems to hit a sensitive spot, kind of a religious thing... Anyway. I actually didn't want to resume the flatbase discussion but was interested if someone else does this "more weight on hind foot" at top speed.

BTW. Just cause one thinks it's reckless doesn't automatically mean that there's not someone out there who does so
03-28-2013 06:12 PM
behi
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Originally Posted by Snowolf View Post
We have already established the fact that in good, soft groomed powder flat basing is easy but due to drag, I will believe 60MPH when I see it.
Measured with a Garmin Etrex (which is using doppler effect, you can expect 1mph accuracy). Conditions were excellent, the trail was freshly groomed, the snow very, very fast. Heck, I've done 45mph on a beginner trail.

BTW, my brother, who is a skier, has done 72mph on the same trail.
03-28-2013 05:41 PM
Deacon Suddenly I hear calliope music from a merry go round....
03-28-2013 05:13 PM
behi
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No way in hell anyone really doing 65 MPH is flat based. That is Olympic speeds we are talking about here and those guys are definitely on their edge.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. I've done 60mph (top speed) in excellent conditions (groomed powder). Definitely not on edge. (And yes, I was the only one making a really long flat section...)
03-28-2013 12:15 PM
behi
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Originally Posted by neni View Post
He says, that this is ok at my (in his opinion rather slow) high speed, but if he's up at real high speed (over 65mph), he stays well in the hind seat. His argument was that you've less base contact and thus less risk that an edge could contact slightly uneven snow.
I think he is wrong. It's just that high speeds have a very big stabilizing effect. As has been mentioned before, if the weight is back, the board will want to pivot if there is a disturbance.

I've only ever caught an edge at relatively low speeds (knock on wood).
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