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04-26-2013 11:18 PM
timmytard [QUOTE=From a design standpoint, the new helical gear to helical tooth strap setup is a MUCH stronger design. If you think about what is happening, there are always 3 or 4 teeth engaged. As you crank on it, one tooth on one edge disengages as the next one on th opposite side is engaging. With a straight bar design, the entire tooth changes angle all at the same time, and so depending where you are on the tooth, it could be connections just on the very tip, or deep in the groove, or somewhere in between. Friction on the straight design is much higher and wears much faster.

Given all that, you could still have a strait gear that works better than a helical gear. The helical design is more complicated. Did burton get it right? Looked like it to me from the few minutes I messed with it, but time will tell.[/QUOTE]



Pretty sure they had to put teeth on the back of the ladders.

It would appear to me, once tight, there would be to much pressure on one side of the ratchet.
Causing it to explode.
Not while doing it up, but holding it in place once tight.

If it didn't need it, they definitely wouldn't have put teeth on the back.


TT
04-26-2013 09:48 PM
kaborkian I had a 2014 genesis in my hands a month ago or so. Red on black, would be perfect for my cobra...it got taken away and stashed before i could leave with it

It's crazy light weight. The double ladder works very well. I have concerns that the ankle strap won't be very comfy, but I've read otherwise.

Edit: not sure what I think about the genesis highbacks, seems kind of gimmicky to me


From a design standpoint, the new helical gear to helical tooth strap setup is a MUCH stronger design. If you think about what is happening, there are always 3 or 4 teeth engaged. As you crank on it, one tooth on one edge disengages as the next one on th opposite side is engaging. With a straight bar design, the entire tooth changes angle all at the same time, and so depending where you are on the tooth, it could be connections just on the very tip, or deep in the groove, or somewhere in between. Friction on the straight design is much higher and wears much faster.

Given all that, you could still have a strait gear that works better than a helical gear. The helical design is more complicated. Did burton get it right? Looked like it to me from the few minutes I messed with it, but time will tell.
04-09-2013 10:28 PM
ETM they look really nice
04-06-2013 12:34 PM
pdxrealtor
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Diode FLAD (not my pix).
Thx. They're all over google images too.

A burton CSR told me the highbacks have more torsional flex, straps, ratchets, pads, and a new highback, but base plate is the same. I can't remember exactly, I've been messing with bindings so much lately, but I think the rep told me the highbacks are either carbon injected plastic or a layer of plastic over the fiberglass. Something like that.

For someone who doesn't already have diodes they're happy with these look like a nice buy!
04-06-2013 11:21 AM
hktrdr
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Originally Posted by pdxrealtor View Post
Nice. I was trying to get info on these a couple days ago, the diodes. How is the FWLA dialed in now? Any pics available?

Do you know if any strength improvements have been made to the highback? Over 2013, which I was told are improved over the 2012s.

Great ino- thanks again!
Diode FLAD (not my pix).
04-02-2013 05:56 PM
pdxrealtor They look like a screw type design, just like on a worm clamp. That ankle strap/ratchet mimics a worm clamp.....

Thanks for posting the pics 604! Those things look space age.....
04-02-2013 09:12 AM
hktrdr
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Screw type ladders! fuck yeah!!
Not screw type, just angled to prevent wear when the effort/pull is off-center.
In fact, they are two-sided ladders - the 'inside' teeth are still perpendicular.
04-02-2013 08:48 AM
ETM Screw type ladders! fuck yeah!!
04-02-2013 12:32 AM
604al
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Originally Posted by pdxrealtor View Post
Nice. I was trying to get info on these a couple days ago, the diodes. How is the FWLA dialed in now? Any pics available?

Do you know if any strength improvements have been made to the highback? Over 2013, which I was told are improved over the 2012s.

Great ino- thanks again!
Sorry don't have pics of the Diodes, but forward lean IIRC is like a cleaner, smaller version of the higher end union adjusters. Not sure if it's any stronger, as they had to put a slot in the carbon highback for the FLAD.

Here's some pics of the ankle strap and new ladders on the genesis (same as diodes):

03-31-2013 07:40 AM
Lamps
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Hooray!
I would love to see diodes evolve into the perfect mix of performance and durability.
A lot of us would. Burton has the design all worked out too, but it would be made of Unobtanium so can't be done.
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