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Old 12-14-2012, 05:16 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Dunno about that. The last Canadian "event" of this type that I can remember happened in Dec 1989. Now, I'm not saying it's definitely the difference in gun laws. I am saying that there has to be an explanation for the difference in levels of violence between Canada and the US, and the gun laws are an obvious easy target.
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You probably have better access to mental health care too...
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Old 12-14-2012, 05:34 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Dunno about that. The last Canadian "event" of this type that I can remember happened in Dec 1989. Now, I'm not saying it's definitely the difference in gun laws. I am saying that there has to be an explanation for the difference in levels of violence between Canada and the US, and the gun laws are an obvious easy target.
Cause everyone in canada is just so nice! I'm by no means a gun nut. I do own firearms but don't feel the need to carry. I think the knee jerk reaction is to "ban them all" which I definitely don't agree with. Like I said, I grew up with that and it doesn't work...

I feel bad for derailing this thread. Anyway we can get it separated into it's own deal?

The bottom line is the society we live in today is horrible, something has to change.

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Old 12-14-2012, 05:57 PM   #55 (permalink)
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True, but it seems that people are more willing to at least think about the consequences of our current mental health system in light of this and the other events of this year. Gun control needs to be a part of the discussion, but in most cases it merely treats the symptom and not the disease.
Yeah, I hope my post wasn't pessimistic, because we have come a long way vs. 25 years ago with regards to mental health. I just think now is a good reminder of the ever present need to drop the taboo about it.

I used to be scared shitless of social situations. Couldn't make a speech, never really asked a girl out until long after high school, feared anyone in an authority position, etc. I heard about a study happening in my town for "social phobia" and I qualified. Went in an talked to a doc. We prescribed either sertraline (Zoloft) or a placebo in an increasing dose, and I had to go and talk to him once a week about my progress, and he would give me "homework" to do to get over my fears. At the end of the study I had a choice to make, get a prescription for the drug in the same dose I was given (although from a pharmacist there's no chance of it being a placebo!), ween off it, or drop it all together. I decided to drop it completely as I had a feeling I was on the placebo anyway... I had ZERO changes after stopping the drug completely so I believe what helped me was talking to a balding 50 year old man once a week for a few months about my problem.

Made a best man speech two days ago with a little apprehension (a little is healthy), but not like the best man speech I did 8 years or so ago where I felt like I was having a stroke at the podium. My fear got in the way of my friends wedding! Now I'm fine... okay a little sarcastic to break the ice most of the time but I don't live in fear anymore.

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Sometimes I think the world is getting less crazy but then stuff like this comes along. RIP
Tough to say, the population is rapidly growing so in the petri-dish of life there's bound to be more incidents. Worldwide violent crime stats continue to decrease however so I think these are isolated incidents. Hopefully we can continue to improve and reduce the root causes of incidents like this!

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Cause everyone in canada is just so nice! I'm by no means a gun nut. I do own firearms but don't feel the need to carry. I think the knee jerk reaction is to "ban them all" which I definitely don't agree with. Like I said, I grew up with that and it doesn't work...
Another gun owner here (used to have a SIG P226 .40 S&W, a TIKKA T3 .22-250 with a high powdered scope, and several shotguns and old war rifles... Now I'm down to just the shotguns and war rifles)...

I think EVERY gun owner is in favour of a reasonable level of checks and balances to help ensure that your crazy uncle bob can't walk into walmart, buy an AK47, and walk out and shoot up a school. But at the same time we need a system that's reasonable for responsible owners. Now that Harper scrapped the long gun registry I like most aspects of our gun laws here in Canada. I would have liked to be able to carry my P226 while hiking, but that's a small issue. I can carry bear spray too and be smart about where, when, how and with whom I hike.

I can't stand how these incidents bring the gun control debate back to a boil...
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Old 12-14-2012, 06:04 PM   #56 (permalink)
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Buy your guns now. They will soon be illegal.

...And I strongly urge anyone who thinks an Australia-type gun ban will bring down gun violence in this country to spend 10 minutes walking around the streets of the South side of Chicago. See how well gun restrictions have worked there. You'd have less of a chance of getting killed in Afghanistan.

You can make anything against the law but, that can't change crazy people.

That being said, anyone else think that this catastrophe could have been minimized if a few of the staff at that school had a cc handgun?
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Old 12-14-2012, 06:16 PM   #57 (permalink)
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After today, for the first time in my life, I said to my wife it may be time for gun control...especially if this whack job's guns were licensed and owned by him legally...
Really a horrible situation that no parent should ever have to deal with. I hate to say it, but this has me questioning the complete lack of security at my kids school. Pretty much anyone could walk right in. Not sure what the solution is, but I would guess that every school where there has been a shooting probably never thought it would happen to them and after it happens it's too late.

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Old 12-14-2012, 06:27 PM   #58 (permalink)
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I just wanted to share this with you guys take it for what it is but wise words from a friend of mine on this.

This is MY opinion and I am entitled to it. I have to share this in order for me to function today as I am truly disgusted and very heart broken for the families involved. If you do not agree, you to have the right to share but do so on your own page. I will not be arguing this topic.

We as humans must stop this madness. Gun control is NOT the answer. More security at schools is NOT the answer. S
uing movie theaters for lack of security is NOT the answer. We need to reverse this politically correct mentality we have and start punishing the youth for behaving badly.

I see too many parents letting their children run their lives. Not spanking them because it's "abuse", not correcting them because they're children and they need to grow in their own way. BULLSHIT! Spank the shit out of that kid when they are wrong, yell at them in public to correct them. We must take back control of todays youth.

There has always been violence and evil but this is the no punishment generation that is committing these horrendous crimes. Too many early 20's having mental issues and my personal belief is that it's a direct result of lack of punishment and not being held accountable for things they do wrong. They have no idea what life is going to deal them and they snap as soon as the safeties of mommy and daddy are removed. In this case so much he decided to kill them even.

If you are a parent please take control of your children. Love them by correcting them, spanking them and teaching them that this is unacceptable. It starts with us as parents and I am as much a part of this as any parent. If you see an un easy change in your teen or twenty something PLEASE advise someone and or take actions to help them.

This is NOT a religious situation. This is a parenting issue.

Sad day here in the world. Send your thoughts to these families today. Take actions to change it tomorrow.
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After today, for the first time in my life, I said to my wife it may be time for gun control...especially if this whack job's guns were licensed and owned by him legally...
Really a horrible situation that no parent should ever have to deal with. I hate to say it, but this has me questioning the complete lack of security at my kids school. Pretty much anyone could walk right in. Not sure what the solution is, but I would guess that every school where there has been a shooting probably never thought it would happen to them and after it happens it's too late.

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And this folks is the exact knee jerk reaction I'm talking about. Gun control will do NOTHING to eliminate criminals from obtaining guns. I haven't been to Chicago in nearly a year and I guarantee I could have a gun with no serial # within a couple hours of getting off the plane. Pull up chicago gun violence statistics. Where they have the strictest gun control in the country. Here let me do it for you....

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I just wanted to share this with you guys take it for what it is but wise words from a friend of mine on this.

This is MY opinion and I am entitled to it. I have to share this in order for me to function today as I am truly disgusted and very heart broken for the families involved. If you do not agree, you to have the right to share but do so on your own page. I will not be arguing this topic.

We as humans must stop this madness. Gun control is NOT the answer. More security at schools is NOT the answer. S
uing movie theaters for lack of security is NOT the answer. We need to reverse this politically correct mentality we have and start punishing the youth for behaving badly.

I see too many parents letting their children run their lives. Not spanking them because it's "abuse", not correcting them because they're children and they need to grow in their own way. BULLSHIT! Spank the shit out of that kid when they are wrong, yell at them in public to correct them. We must take back control of todays youth.

There has always been violence and evil but this is the no punishment generation that is committing these horrendous crimes. Too many early 20's having mental issues and my personal belief is that it's a direct result of lack of punishment and not being held accountable for things they do wrong. They have no idea what life is going to deal them and they snap as soon as the safeties of mommy and daddy are removed. In this case so much he decided to kill them even.

If you are a parent please take control of your children. Love them by correcting them, spanking them and teaching them that this is unacceptable. It starts with us as parents and I am as much a part of this as any parent. If you see an un easy change in your teen or twenty something PLEASE advise someone and or take actions to help them.

This is NOT a religious situation. This is a parenting issue.

Sad day here in the world. Send your thoughts to these families today. Take actions to change it tomorrow.

Amen!!!!!!!!
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