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Old 01-25-2013, 02:30 PM   #11 (permalink)
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And honestly man made snow is better. It's faster, when it's groomed, than that BS natural snow. It's always fun trying to ride park when it's dumping out......
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Old 01-25-2013, 02:59 PM   #12 (permalink)
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And honestly man made snow is better. It's faster, when it's groomed, than that BS natural snow.
You can tell with a b.s. statement like that it's a east coast forum. LOL

I couldn't disagree more. Find a steeper slope if you want more speed or carve instead of skidding.

The park is a different story. I don't know anything about that.

The peeps on here are just plain weird. Don't like powder and prefer man made snow? WTF? lol
Just take up skate boarding or something.

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Old 01-25-2013, 03:07 PM   #13 (permalink)
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If you're just into park that's basically a different sport than freeriding and I can understand where you're coming from then.
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Old 01-25-2013, 03:10 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Man made snow definitely takes a toll on your base. Wax lasts much shorter than the softer natural snow.
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Old 01-25-2013, 03:12 PM   #15 (permalink)
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man made sucks
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Old 01-25-2013, 03:31 PM   #16 (permalink)
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there are a few factors at play but a lot of it has to do with the density of the snow created. The man made snow is generally a denser, heavier, wetter snow because of how it's created. It's a lot like when we get a snow here that also has some slush in it. Whoever mentioned the temperature making a difference is also accurate... they start blowing the snow guns here the second it gets just cold enough so most of the time it's going to be a heavier wet snow. With real snow it depends on the type of storm system and level of precipitation that will affect the density and amount of moisture in the snow. Sometimes we get the nice fluffy light snow from a storm and other times we get the heavy wet concrete.

To use a natural snow comparison, anyone who's been to different parts of the country will notice the drastically different types of snow. For example Utah generally has the lightest, fluffiest snow in north america and some say the world. The reason for that is the density of the snow. They have a more generally dry climate which is a main piece of the puzzle to why it's so much fluffy than say the snow in Washington or Oregon.

You mentioned Baker and the amount of snow they get, yes they get tons of snow but it's super heavy and wet due to their generally moist climate. Ask any Pac North local on here what they call their snow and you'll always here the term cement. That's very similar to the very moist snow you get from a snow gun on the east coast and mid west.

Of course this is a super high level explanation and there are other factors involved but without getting meteorologist on everyone this should help you understand why.
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I have never ridden man made snow in my life.. is that a bad thing?
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I have never ridden man made snow in my life.. is that a bad thing?
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I was under the impression that it was related to the freezing time as well. The longer you can give water to freeze, the more... complete (not sure if this is the best word to use) the crystal will be. I believe ice is stronger when its formed over an extended duration as opposed to flash freezing as well.
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there are a few factors at play but a lot of it has to do with the density of the snow created. The man made snow is generally a denser, heavier, wetter snow because of how it's created. It's a lot like when we get a snow here that also has some slush in it. Whoever mentioned the temperature making a difference is also accurate... they start blowing the snow guns here the second it gets just cold enough so most of the time it's going to be a heavier wet snow. With real snow it depends on the type of storm system and level of precipitation that will affect the density and amount of moisture in the snow. Sometimes we get the nice fluffy light snow from a storm and other times we get the heavy wet concrete.

To use a natural snow comparison, anyone who's been to different parts of the country will notice the drastically different types of snow. For example Utah generally has the lightest, fluffiest snow in north america and some say the world. The reason for that is the density of the snow. They have a more generally dry climate which is a main piece of the puzzle to why it's so much fluffy than say the snow in Washington or Oregon.

You mentioned Baker and the amount of snow they get, yes they get tons of snow but it's super heavy and wet due to their generally moist climate. Ask any Pac North local on here what they call their snow and you'll always here the term cement. That's very similar to the very moist snow you get from a snow gun on the east coast and mid west.

Of course this is a super high level explanation and there are other factors involved but without getting meteorologist on everyone this should help you understand why.
I see. I of course understand moisture to snow ratio's. Sierra cement in California's Sierra Nevada mountains as well! Lake effect snow tends to be super fluffy. It's an easy formula around here. If it's colder = dryer fluffy snow. If it's marginal for snow = wet. 850mb temps also play a role obviously in this. Not just ground temps.

BUT even with wet snow, I find it much better than the man made stuff. If somebody was able to make a snow gun that duplicated natural snow economically than they'd make a fortune.

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