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Old 03-04-2013, 04:24 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Yes, agree 100%
There are non-economic factors as well; different value to different people.

My personal example, I hate driving long distances and I get very tired at night and I have a vision problem where my eyes get lazy and I see double when very tired driving at night. So, I'd rather just crash on a bus and wake up at my destination. So that has a lot of non-monetary value for me, to not drive. Which is why when a bunch of friends go up, I never drive or bring my car; I just chill and sleep in the back seat and pay for gas/tolls and be done with it... LOL. )

Plus I don't keep my car in the city ($600/mo parking, no thank you!) and it's at my sister's house in Queens, so it's a whole song and dance to go get my car, which I drive maybe 2-3 times a month these days, if that. (FYI I'm a car guy - used to have 8 cars at one point in time when I lived in a house on Long Island, I can't get myself to be 100% car-free yet, lol, cos I need a car to race/track in during the summers, my non-winter hobby).
pretty much. it depends a lot on how you value you these non-monetary things on a personal level. that's why within my group, the driver never covers the gas/tolls, or at least only a small portion of it; some of us find value in paying extra for not driving, while others find value in driving and not having to pay for gas/tolls. it kind of works out that we all drive at least once a season, and the penny pinchers drive multiple times. the system works!
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Old 03-04-2013, 05:41 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Best advice is find some friends and carpool. Be open minded and have fun. You might be surprised who would be interested around you
qft. I get not having a car in the city, but if snowboarding is your thing, get one. Fuck buses.
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Old 03-04-2013, 07:06 PM   #13 (permalink)
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this is going to be a long post beware
I am a 9-5er and a weekend rider, I have been riding on different mountains almost every Saturday and Sunday since the late January (aka hardcore ) and no, none of my friends have car, people at the office not even interested in boarding (they don't drive anywho, so I am solo, wife comes every now and then)

ok first and foremost let me say that I am not trying to convince myself to get a car, I will if and only if it really makes sense this time, owned 2 before, every time I was like fuck this (parking etc.)... oh and I live in Queens

So since getting a car is the thing here fuck new york mountains (windham, hunter, creek, camelback etc). We're talking about VT. And that is around 5 hours of driving distance no matter how you slice it, I am thinking Killington but...

Bus services namely emilio's or OvrRide don't necesserily ride to Killington, (or stowe or stratton or Okemo) every Saturdays or Sundays. So before I get a season pass from a mountain, I will have to see which bus service goes to that mountain on every Saturday and Sunday. Ok let's be realistic, there's no way in hell and I can't even take to go absolutely every weekend, I will get tired, would want to sleep late etc. but most of times I will, hey what else have I gotta do on winter weekends...

so let's see, a bus only ride is $70 on ovrride, prolly running around $65 on emilio's doing this a month will cost me
$70 x 8 = $560
$65 x 8 = $520
considering If I have a holiday and go one more day it will be more or maybe I will get sick or just don't want to go this will be less...

On the other hand having a car...
Aside from paying for the car and insurance tolls will around $25 (roughly), like herjazz mentioned GW bridge will other small tolls will be that much I think. plus gas now surely, depending on what I get, this will be I think roughly for a day will run around 50 (could be less not sure, again depends on the car) but then there's another problem maintenance, driving 250 miles (killington) and coming back that's 500 miles a day twice a week that's 1000 miles a week, monthly It will be around 4000 miles WOW! I will kill the car in 4.5-5 months season long.... by the end of the season I will put around 20000 miles on the car jeee, did i do this wrong altogether????

like snowklinger fuck buses, but I am not just saying that, well for the reason that they get there at almost 9:30-10 by the time you get dressed and all, 1.5 hours lost there, then instead of 4:30, emilio's (they started to piss me off btw) they say be back by 4-4:15, wtf if you do a last run you'd get back by 4:15 then getting dressed that's 4:30, and you have to rush yourself...

Seeing this I guess none of these makes sense taking a bus or getting car OMG
so wtf go twice a month that's 8 times for the whole season considering a 5 month season

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Sorry, I work in finance, calcs like this is second nature to me; sorry if it's too much numbers for you haha...
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qft. I get not having a car in the city, but if snowboarding is your thing, get one. Fuck buses.
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your analysis makes sense from an economic POV, though the numbers are slightly on the high-end IMO. if i drive my corolla with 3 people to mt. snow, the gas/toll costs end up be no more than $40 a person.

also, you have to consider that if you drive your own car, you have complete control over when you arrive and when you leave. for some, there is a lot of value in that.

lastly, buses arrive late and leave (relatively) early, so let's say you're losing about an hour of riding time. paying a premium to get around this also has value. question is, how much are these worth in dollar terms? everyone has a different threshold.
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Old 03-04-2013, 07:16 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Living in new york city, there really aren't many options. In the same boat here...no car, rely on buses like ovrride/urbansherpa, not always enough people to make renting a car worthwhile.

Honestly if you spend 8 days/month snowboarding ie. every weekend there's really no easy option. Unfortunately, it's the price you pay for living in new york city. Personally, I've chosen to settle with the NY and NJ mountains for day trips. VT for me..no matter if its the bus, a rental car, splitting driving with friends etc is just really far, tiring and expensive to make it a regular occurrence.

Only other option would be to rent a house in VT and work Monday-Friday remotely
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You could always move closer to a mountain

But all joking aside, that's one heck of a hike to make. Fun random fact: New York has more ski-resorts (50) than any other state in the country. There's got to be at least one within a reasonable driving distance, even if you have to go to Queens to get your car. Even if it's not that great of a mountain, at least you're strapped in? I have a season pass to a pretty lousy mountain in MA and go there probably 35 times a season and then I'll hit up Mt. Snow or something once or twice and call it a season.
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Looking through this thread, my goodness things are expensive out east.

Last year's season pass to Kirkwood/Heavenly/Northstar came out to ~$419 for 7 day riding with some blackouts around the holidays.

I drive a Scion tC and I get to Kirkwood and back for a little under a full tank ($40ish). How much is gas over there? And why are season passes so expensive? Are you buying them late in the off-season?

My recommendation would be to buy a car. I can't imagine that the daily cost of having a personal car to drive up whenever you need to would be more expensive than paying for a bus every trip up.

Here I was thinking the West Coast was way more expensive than the East Coast.
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Looking through this thread, my goodness things are expensive out east.

Last year's season pass to Kirkwood/Heavenly/Northstar came out to ~$419 for 7 day riding with some blackouts around the holidays.

I drive a Scion tC and I get to Kirkwood and back for a little under a full tank ($40ish). How much is gas over there? And why are season passes so expensive? Are you buying them late in the off-season?

My recommendation would be to buy a car. I can't imagine that the daily cost of having a personal car to drive up whenever you need to would be more expensive than paying for a bus every trip up.

Here I was thinking the West Coast was way more expensive than the East Coast.
funny dude do you know me or something, If I was to buy one, I was thinking on a Scion Tc, some says good some says bad things about it, but mostly positive, a 2010 or above.

it's 4 dollar a gallon but in Jersey it's 3.50, any right-minded human being here knows to buy gas in Jersey, especially if you get out of the city a lot.

why saying that I checked Vail, that's like $2200, we do have mountains for 400 bucks to 1800 bucks, small ones in the 750 range

east coast is expensive? well i guess they say you guys make more so pay more, I make ok but of course if I am paying more for everything then what's the point of make more same thing as making less and paying less idk

I don't want to get into a car conversation just yet coz I haven't decided yet but so what do you think about your scion what year is that, I am also scared about killing the car you know putting too much mileage on it...
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Get an old reliable beater car with good gas mileage and put some snow tires on it for the winter. Don't have to worry about scratches and no urges to smack loud teenagers at 5 am. That or buy headphones to drown out the teenagers on the bus and keep taking it.

I drive but I live on LI for years now, as long as the car gets good mileage it's really not too bad. Get to listen to your own music, stop and get some coffee or whatever when you want, and if you see annoying teenagers you can run them off the road .

I have a pass in the Catskills but take a few trips up north to the Daks/Vermont/Maine each year. Not worth the time to head up to Vermont every weekend.

Edit: If you like Gore and Whiteface, Belleayre has a season pass option for all 3 mountains now.

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Get an old reliable beater car with good gas mileage and put some snow tires on it for the winter. Don't have to worry about scratches and no urges to smack loud teenagers at 5 am. That or buy headphones to drown out the teenagers on the bus and keep taking it.

I drive but I live on LI for years now, as long as the car gets good mileage it's really not too bad. Get to listen to your own music, stop and get some coffee or whatever when you want, and if you see annoying teenagers you can run them off the road .

I have a pass in the Catskills but take a few trips up north to the Daks/Vermont/Maine each year. Not worth the time to head up to Vermont every weekend.

Edit: If you like Gore and Whiteface, Belleayre has a season pass option for all 3 mountains now.
agreed; VT certainly takes a toll out of you whether you're driving or not. you're talking 10+ hours of your weekend spent in a car. i did the math and on average for a season, i spend close to a week's worth of hours in a car between january and march.

that being said, i'm always looking for new buddies to roll with on trips and would happily offer up a seat in my car when i go on trips to VT about 1-2 times a month (weekends only though, i just don't see the purpose in driving up there for a day trip). on other weekends i usually do a day trip to the catskills. of course, i'd need to meet you first, preferably on a mountain if possible, to see if we can stand each other and ride together; otherwise it'll be an awkward drive to and fro.
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agreed; VT certainly takes a toll out of you whether you're driving or not. you're talking 10+ hours of your weekend spent in a car. i did the math and on average for a season, i spend close to a week's worth of hours in a car between january and march.

that being said, i'm always looking for new buddies to roll with on trips and would happily offer up a seat in my car when i go on trips to VT about 1-2 times a month (weekends only though, i just don't see the purpose in driving up there for a day trip). on other weekends i usually do a day trip to the catskills. of course, i'd need to meet you first, preferably on a mountain if possible, to see if we can stand each other and ride together; otherwise it'll be an awkward drive to and fro.
that sounds good i will be killington on saturday and hunter on sunday

true true 10 hours a day in the bus is really a lot of time, but what can we do this is what we got living in the east
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