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Old 03-06-2013, 08:15 AM   #81 (permalink)
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not trying to be a dick, you mentioned that this was your first year, just letting you know what you were getting into.

Hollywood bowl is out of bounds, and should be treated as true back country terrain. When traveling in the back country every person should have taken a avalanche course, and have the proper gear, shovel beacon probe, and the knowledge to use it. One should also be a very confident rider so they can handle any situation that could arise.

the tunnel creek slide last year that killed three was just a little west of hollywood bowl.

stevens has lots of stashes and fun runs inside the boundaries (pm me i'd be happy to tell you), once you can rip everything inbounds take a avy class, find some experienced partners and then start hiking
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Old 03-06-2013, 09:09 AM   #82 (permalink)
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not trying to be a dick, you mentioned that this was your first year, just letting you know what you were getting into.

Hollywood bowl is out of bounds, and should be treated as true back country terrain. When traveling in the back country every person should have taken a avalanche course, and have the proper gear, shovel beacon probe, and the knowledge to use it. One should also be a very confident rider so they can handle any situation that could arise.

the tunnel creek slide last year that killed three was just a little west of hollywood bowl.

stevens has lots of stashes and fun runs inside the boundaries (pm me i'd be happy to tell you), once you can rip everything inbounds take a avy class, find some experienced partners and then start hiking
I know all of what your saying. and should have had gear, strangely that day my buddy was the only one with gear on all day. and quite a few skiers came up all by themselves. ya u know where that slide was and have family who was very good friends with all 3 of those dudes we went over a lot of diff situations if what could happen and why and where to go and where not to before I ever dropped in. I felt the risk was low enough to take the drop, maybe I'm an idiot.
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sounds like you have an experienced partner who is sharing his knowledge which is great, i question his decision making though bringing someone along who is less experienced and has no gear. I have let others tag along with me with out knowing there abilities and seen them get in over there head, shit gets real FAST.

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Old 03-06-2013, 12:48 PM   #84 (permalink)
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sounds like you have an experienced partner who is sharing his knowledge which is great, i question his decision making though bringing someone along who is less experienced and has no gear. I have let others tag along with me with out knowing there abilities and seen them get in over there head, shit gets real FAST.

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he knew I could handle the run and he had gear to dig me out. I'm taking the rei class as soon as there's another available. ordering my pack, probe, beacon and shovel, this weekend. I'll be ready for next yr.
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Did you have gear to dig him out though? That door swings both ways. Getting buried and having to use your gear is the very last resort thing after you have fucked up big time everywhere else. A very high percentage of the time, you don't survive getting buried. Jim Jack one of the three in the Tunnel Creek avalanche was reported being folded in half the wrong direction. DOA. He was found and dug out in under 15 minutes, but as the saying goes, when your are folded in half backwards, you're fucked.

It's worth taking your time to do this aspect of riding right. A lot of fun, but there is little room for error.
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sounds like you have an experienced partner who is sharing his knowledge which is great, i question his decision making though bringing someone along who is less experienced and has no gear. I have let others tag along with me with out knowing there abilities and seen them get in over there head, shit gets real FAST.

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So, first of all, the experienced partner in question was me.

Second of all, if you weren't there, you really have no business speaking on the conditions or safety of the area at the time.

Question my decision if you like. I do agree, it is never EVER smart to ride in the back/side country without avy gear. I wouldn't ever tell anyone that they should venture into an area without the bare essentials. That being said, I made a judgement call, based on my knowledge of the area. Have you been in the area in question? There are safe routes back there. The avalanche danger was fairly low that morning. I am not just some dummy taking people into dangerous situations. So, give it a rest please.

Kill is right, if there was a slide we could have been fucked. The advice of everyone is on point. Not trying to argue that, but it is beating a dead horse, as I have already explained all of these things.

As I said, my decision could definitely look questionable. I'm not trying to defend it. Had the conditions been any different that day, I would have made a different decision.

Tunnel creek was a very sad tragedy. I think about it a lot, but the conditions on that day were HORRIBLE for backcountry travel. Nothing like monday. My decision to ride Hollywood can not be compared to the decision to make a tunnel creek run on a day when the avalanche danger was considered "high".
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Old 03-06-2013, 01:43 PM   #87 (permalink)
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Just curious, how does that area compare to tunnel creek in terms of slope and slide danger? I realize it is somewhat near it, but that doesn't mean it's comparable risk. I understand Tunnel Creek is fairly steep (I saw 42 degrees I think) and seems to be set up ideally for an avalanche path. From what I've seen of Hollywood Bowl vids, it doesn't look nearly as bad.

I'm not suggesting it isn't a risk, but is it accurate to say that Tunnel Creek is a much bigger risk on any given day?
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I'm not suggesting it isn't a risk, but is it accurate to say that Tunnel Creek is a much bigger risk on any given day?
yes.

Not only are they different angles, but different facing aspects.
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heading up tomorrow if anyone wants to join me. should be bluebird all day. AND MARCH 15TH SEASON PASSES GO ON SALE!!!!!
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AND MARCH 15TH SEASON PASSES GO ON SALE!!!!!
Sweet, I was just trying to find that out. Do you have a source? Not that I don't believe you, but would like to read more about it.
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