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Old 10-19-2009, 09:20 AM   #51 (permalink)
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I am definitely someone who takes advice more as opinion than fact... I think all people should understand this, but they don't. So the problem (imo) is those that don't understand this... not the person who is trying to help. Though the approach did seem "matter of fact," Infamous was simply trying to help.

I'm sure we all agree that each individual will have different needs for the same outcome, though.

Yo Catman, the weather this morning has me craving some mountain time...!!!
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Old 10-19-2009, 10:02 AM   #52 (permalink)
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That's the problem, people come on here and state "facts" because they're in school or have worked out for a year or something... That's the first thing I tell people as well, I can really only tell you the facts about what I've done and what works for me. Actually, I guess there is one fact I tell people- genetics rule everything, and as such, what works for me or Ronnie Coleman or God probably isn't gonna work for you...

Ex. A person in this thread stated that any unused protein taken in from a supplement shake will turn to adipose tissue. They know, they're in school for this! Hmmm... Wrong. Advice like this is misleading and simply not true for everyone.
Maybe you should do some research before stating your opinion.....


"What happens to the protein:

It is broken down into building blocks known as peptides.

Then, it is further broken down and it becomes amino acids.

The amino acids are absorbed through the small intestine's lining and enter the blood stream.

From here, some of the amino acids build the body's protein stores.

Excess amino acids are converted to fats and sugars and follow the paths described above.

This is such a simple concept, but many people still believe that consuming lots and lots of protein will put muscle on their bones. Don't be fooled by this notion! Even excess protein turns to fat.

Here is a picturesque illustration of the real cause of weight gain. Eating too much food! Dietary fat is obviously the substance most often stored as fat in the ends, but no matter what you eat, your body takes whatever it can't use and sends it to fat cells. If you don't burn it off or expel it, it hangs around in your fat cells, no matter what it consists of."

Nutrition, Does Excess Protein Turn to Fat? An Anatomy Lesson

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And the website that it came from. And if you need more documentation to prove my fact, let me know I would be glad to provide you with it.

Advice from this thread is often misleading, right spirited driver? Well you can say that again.

Maybe you should start going to school for this stuff...so you can know what the f*ck your talking about before you begin to share your information with other people.

I know my shit. So sorry buddy....your information? HMMMM WRONG

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Old 10-19-2009, 10:05 AM   #53 (permalink)
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Do they make it in pill form??? That is really great advice, thanks chick!
Yes they do make it in pill form, but you would need to take some unbelievable amount of pills to equal how much nutrition you get from the pure oil form!!! The bottle is pretty cheap too, like $10 or something. You can get it at any health food store. Good luck with anything, glad I could help!!!
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Yes they do make it in pill form, but you would need to take some unbelievable amount of pills to equal how much nutrition you get from the pure oil form!!! The bottle is pretty cheap too, like $10 or something. You can get it at any health food store. Good luck with anything, glad I could help!!!
Have you tried the peanut butter mentioned? Yummy!
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Old 10-19-2009, 06:56 PM   #55 (permalink)
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Have you tried the peanut butter mentioned? Yummy!
Nope...but I definitely will now!!! I am always looking for some new kind of healthy food to try. How is almond butter? Did you happen to ever have that before? If so, is it that much different tasting then peanut butter? I saw it today in the store and almost got it...
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Hey Music, we were going to open today but the temp did not invert sunday night.It won't be long now though. We did get 2 inches out at our property that was cool for Oct. 17 th
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Maybe you should do some research before stating your opinion.....


"What happens to the protein:

It is broken down into building blocks known as peptides.

Then, it is further broken down and it becomes amino acids.

The amino acids are absorbed through the small intestine's lining and enter the blood stream.

From here, some of the amino acids build the body's protein stores.

Excess amino acids are converted to fats and sugars and follow the paths described above.

This is such a simple concept, but many people still believe that consuming lots and lots of protein will put muscle on their bones. Don't be fooled by this notion! Even excess protein turns to fat.

Here is a picturesque illustration of the real cause of weight gain. Eating too much food! Dietary fat is obviously the substance most often stored as fat in the ends, but no matter what you eat, your body takes whatever it can't use and sends it to fat cells. If you don't burn it off or expel it, it hangs around in your fat cells, no matter what it consists of."

Nutrition, Does Excess Protein Turn to Fat? An Anatomy Lesson

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And the website that it came from. And if you need more documentation to prove my fact, let me know I would be glad to provide you with it.

Advice from this thread is often misleading, right spirited driver? Well you can say that again.

Maybe you should start going to school for this stuff...so you can know what the f*ck your talking about before you begin to share your information with other people.

I know my shit. So sorry buddy....your information? HMMMM WRONG
Ahahahaha, you've got to be fucking kidding me. Where do I begin? I won't waste my time going back and forth with this brilliant scholar, but maybe she can explain how I regularly eat food with large amounts of calories and protein and hold a low (sub 10%) BF. Wait, I can answer that, GENETICS. I'm a fucking ectomorph and god knows when my metabolism will slow down, but it sure isn't now, and for the time being it's busy keeping the fat off. I carry very little body fat no matter what I eat- where in your junior college textbook is that? Nevermind, it's right in front of my mirror. And where do you get off assuming I haven't gone to school for or relating to this topic? If you recall, all I originally said was that giving people blanket answers is misleading, and trying to cover it by telling them you're in "school for it" is even worse. Go preach to some overweight 40 year old at 24 Hour Fitness that wants to "change their life".

In addition, the website you linked to contains information written by Maia Appleby, a PERSONAL FUCKING TRAINER. I rest my case.

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Old 10-20-2009, 12:48 AM   #58 (permalink)
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Not everyone has the same fitness goals. So to make blanket statements like :
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2. Avoid supplements. Protein shakes are only good as an entire meal replacement. But too much of those shakes cause kidney stones and other chemical imbalances in your body. These supplements provide way too much protein, and all that extra protein you eat but you dont need gets stored in your body as adipose tissue, aka fat. You can caculate your protein necessity by converting your weight into kilograms (Ex: 140 lbs. Divide that by 2.2- 63 kilograms.) Then you multiply that by your activity level. Sedentary- .8. Active- 1.0 and Athlete 1.2. These protein shakes provide too much protein for an average individual. We eat plenty of protein in our diet alone. Believe me, you dont need them.
tends to piss off a lot of us weight lifters who have had good success when using supplements. I’m not completely defending supplements because a lot of them are basically marketing hyped sugar pills, but the tried and tested ones have their place. Many of us weightlifters go through bulking phases where we purposefully eat calories in excess of maintenance level to increase muscle/strength/athletic performance. For a large person like myself who lifts a lot of weights and tears down a large amount of muscle, you do not eat enough protein in your diet alone to make progress. Smaller people with fast metabolisms also have a hard time getting enough protein through their normal diets, which is why thousands of “How to Gain Muscle for Hardgainers” articles have been written.

When bulking, the idea is to build as much muscle as possible without becoming a 300lb blob. If you’re going to be eating extra calories for this purpose it makes sense to increase protein intake more than carbs or fat. Protien builds muscle. As you have stated, unused protein still turns into fat. However, as even the article you quoted shows, protein has a much more roundabout path to becoming fat. Protein is digested more slowly than carbs, and remains in the bloodstream longer thanks to all those processes that it goes through, so your body is more likely to put it to good use before storing it. This leads to the sought after positive nitrogen balance and anabolic state. Eating protein vs carbs also has less impact on raising insulin levels which makes your body less likely to store what it gets as fat. I guess it depends on what your “normal diet” is but for some of us it gets to be a pain to eat another meal, especially when all you want is the protein. It also gets to be unreasonably expensive to eat steak, fish, and chicken all the time. A protein supplement is much less expensive.

There’s no reason to overdo it on the protein shakes. Taking a 50 gram protein shake won’t really help you much more than taking a 25 gram shake. I can’t remember exactly, but I believe the maximum a typical person can absorb at one time is from 15-30 grams of protein depending on the size of the individual and weather you have been physically active before ingesting it. Through many years of training, I have experimented with and documented the effects of many different diets. I have found that if I take in the same amount of calories over the same amount of daily meals and perform the same amount of weekly workload, if I have a high percentage of protein, I gain a lot of muscle and strength, whereas if I have a higher percentage of carbohydrates I gain a much larger percentage of fat and strength gains are minimal.

As far as creatine, I personally don’t find it to be all that amazing. There are people who swear by it, but I always wonder how much of the effectivness comes from suggestibility and the placebo effect. I have used it several times and from my experience it did very little unless I take 3 times the recommended dosage and spread it throughout the day (which is expensive and a giant pain in the ass). I did have good results from using Cell Tech. But I wonder how much of that was because of the “Crea-Edge™ (Hardcore Anabolic Creatine Matrix)”, “Osmodrol™ (Hyperosmotic Cell-Volumizer)”, and “InsuloDrive™ (Accelerated Insulin Maximizer)”, and how much of it was the 75 grams of pure sugar per serving. My guess is that it was the sugar high.
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Old 10-20-2009, 01:03 AM   #59 (permalink)
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This thread is supposed to be about weight training, not supplementation so here’s something more on subject:

This is the schedule I have followed for the last couple years (and am currently doing):

Cut weight from the last half of April on into May, June, July and then maintain through August. I go from about 255 down to 220 or so. That’s like 2lbs a week for 17-18 weeks. That way in July and August when it’s blistering hot outside, I am at my smallest so I don’t die of heat stroke (or scare anyone off the beach). During this time I usually follow a bodybuilder type of a split, where each muscle group has its own day. I workout 3 days on and 1 day off in an 8 day cycle to hit everything. I go from 2 to 4 days of cardio a week as my metabolism gets progressively slower. I change up the lifts I do each week and I change the whole layout of the 8 day routine about half way through these months.

The rest of the year, a couple of friends and I typically do strength training focused more on powerlifting. I find this a much more enjoyable time of year since I get to eat a lot (especially when my metabolism gets back in full swing) and I don’t have to worry about long sustained cardio sessions (which IMO is the most boring thing in the world).
During September and October, I just stick to the same basic workout structure as I do in the summer, but lower the reps and up the weights. I quit doing long cardio sessions and just do sprints once a week. I also eat more and let my strength come back (and of course some of the fat with it). Once I reach a plateau on my strength gains, I’ll switch to a powerlifting routine. I’ll cut out a lot of supplemental lifts for things like biceps, shoulders, calves, etc. and just do a lot more sets of the major lifts (variants of squat, deadlift, and bench). I’m excited to do power cleans again this year. I tore a bunch of stuff in my wrist while playing football a few years ago and couldn’t do them anymore. I’ve worked on getting my wrist flexibility back for several months now and it’s looking good.
Anyway… I’ll usually reach another strength plateau sometime near the end of January and at that time I start using other supplements (besides the protein shakes I take year round). Last year I took a ton of creatine, some AAKG, and Citrulline Malate through February with good results.
And finally, through March and the first half of April I will be too worried about going snowboarding before all the snow melts to give a damn about weightlifiting.
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Old 10-20-2009, 09:23 AM   #60 (permalink)
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Things I know...
- Insulin control is the most important thing for fat and muscle production... A good diet keeps your insulin steady with minimal peaks and valleys. Diets hiogh in sugars and starches will cause your insulin to spike after eating. Working out hard causes your insulin levels to drop. Plan your nutrition accordingly. I like eating a paleo leaning diet. Not strict paleo, because I think being on a strict diet of any sort sucks and causes you to fall off the wagon, but if I am choosing between foods, i will pick foods that fit a more paleo centric diet.
- A calorie is not a calorie... Stop counting calories, start counting nutrition
- Great abs are built in the kitchen
- You cannot spot reduce, people coming and working abs to get a 6 pack are wasting their time
- Long bouts of cardio are catabolic (will reduce muscle mass)... weight lifting is anabolic (wil increase muscle mass)... HIIT is the best thing you can do to get lean. Snowboarding is HIIT!!!
- You shuld eat slightly less on days that you don't work out.
- 6 small meals are better than 3 big ones
- Skipping breakfast is one of the worst things that you can do
- Most personal trainers are a waste of time and money, although there are some that know their stuff.
- Compound lifts are your friend, isolation movements are generally useless and a waste of time unless you are a professional bodybuilder
- Processed food is evil!

That's my contribution, I'm 37, and have been working out since I was 16. This is stuff I have learned over the years.
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