snowklinger

So what really burns on this one so far is that this cumstain was ex-military and obviously thought he was attacking Muslims. I understand that there are many ignorant stupid fucks like this guy, but how is someone who has served in the last 20 years NOT know the difference...?! Not that it matters, I guess Nazis aren't too picky...fucksticks...

My heart is broken and goes out to these peace loving people, who are devoted to community service and open doors, having nothing in common with the intolerance and war associated with Islam and Christianity (yea I said it, what?). Did you know that if you are hungry you can go eat with these people every day even if you dont worship their god? They are awesome!!!

I just happened to be reading the newsroom thread with all that Savage Nazi BULLSHIT.

Discourage ignorance and champion the unarmed and tender hearted.

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davidj

Yeah, they are a classy group of people if you take the time to get to know them. My thoughts and prayers to all... this is devastating.

backstop13

There is so much truth to this that it's not even funny. I don't know when it started or why, but the whole attitude that Christians need to "fix" every other group is a bunch of crap. Could you imagine if Christians practiced what Jesus taught and loved everyone regardless of their social status, sexuality, etc.?

All I know is when I croak, and have to meet my maker, I'm gonna have to worry about a whole mess of problems that I created myself. I'm gonna have to answer for all the stupid, mean shit I did and I don't have the time nor the right to worry about anybody else and the way they lived their life. If people would worry about themselves and left others alone this rock would be so much more peaceful to live on.

Between the posted videos yesterday in the "Newsroom" thread regarding radical, hate-speech radio hosts, the whole hate for the homosexuals protests at Chik-fil-A, and now the shooting of peaceful, loving people, I am in knots now. It is hard to call myself a Christian after hearing about all these pieces of shit hiding behind the Bible passing judgement on people. That's not what it's supposed to be about...

oefdevilvet

I'll ask to make sure I don't cause a misunderstanding, snowkling are you speaking about ex-military people in particular, I'm not in any way trying to justify this guy. Any freak who would pull this is a big jackass who deserves a quick, cheap, death penalty. He's also a moron if he did not make the distinction of who he was attacking but that is common trait of military, civilian, politician personel eveywhere who aren't able to differentiate between the two.
Not really a question actually, a statement.

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snowklinger

My best friend from high school has been on 12 tours in the last 12 years to the sandbox and bosnia before that, and I support him fully along with the rest of our fighting people. Im just wondering what kind of education this guy and others are recieving about our "enemies" and the world at large in them there militaries...Obviously the ignorance required to associate with any white power group is enough to excuse the military...I'm just saying what an embarrassment ...for all of us.. military....American...human....

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oefdevilvet

Guy must be Marines with that number set, those guys do 6 month deployments, most of the time. I agree with you 100% that this shit is just mans failing at it's finest, and yes it is completely a huge embarrassment. The military doesn't really "educate" soldiers, at least in this country for the grunts, on differentiating targets based on religion, nationality, or any other classification. They train you to fire in any situation where imminent danger to life, limb or eyesight is present without any hesitation(under current ROE that means currently receiving direct or indirect fire, you are NOT allowed to fire under any other circumstance). If you spend enough time in a combat zone things start to get blurry, and some people lose the ability to properly select their target, and when that happens it's only a matter of time until friendly and hostile lose their meaning. That coupled with mainstream stupidity and having 100 news channels that report nonsense that is barely half true all the time, due to people's ignorance of another's way of life, words can make people snap too, things like this happen. Particularly when you get the horrendous class of national leaders we currently have where everyone with the nuts to get elected is way extreme in one way or another, the level of intolerance tends to build.
I'll tell you, the part that pisses me off is that everyone keeps saying "he thought he was shooting Muslims, what a moron". I get it, this guy is obviously very stupid but I don't really care who he shot, people that posed no threat are dead. The "why" for me doesn't usually hold any weight, same opinion on the war, people are dying on a large scale and it needs to stop as fast as possible regardless of the solution being tactical or political. I would say it's different for soldiers, however, soldiers follow orders and if you have shitty leaders you will have shitty soldiers. The reason ROE is so tight is because this has been turned from a global anti-terrorism operation in pile of geopolitical goat fuck, and the previous president of this country began attempting to make changes to Afghanistan that the citizens didn't want and the current president has continued these attempts. Was never in Iraq, can't really speak on that other than to say it was a pile of shit, it's over now don't commit that fuck up again.
Maybe the military should teach you more than the people usually don't wave with their left hand, I don't know if that would have made a difference, someone that crazy is a time bomb and when it goes off it's just going to hammer whatever is closest. His fuse I guess just burned out at what he thought was a good time.
Just my general opinion on all that, sorry for the wall of text and potentially horrible English composition.

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snowklinger

My buddy was in special forces for the first 2/3 of that time (he was a bored Ranger for almost 10 years before that except Bosnia which was pretty boring I guess), and for the last 5 years or so he has continued to be deployed but he "graduated" or something or moved laterally and does the shit under a different umbrella or title or something secret now. Now he just "goes to work" lol.

I've thought about it more and the why really doesn't matter, you're right, the guy is such a piece of shit his motives are really unimportant. I even felt strange pointing it out like there was something wrong with looking at it that way, but its also a point thats hard to ignore for some reason - it adds stupidity and frustration to the tragedy.

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oefdevilvet

Ok gotcha, thought he could have been in that kind of deal too, wasn't sure because the 75th is a small crew when observed compared to the size of the military so I thought "jarhead".
It's always hard to ignore and that's compounded, since there is a bit of a stigma that goes with being a combat veteran, and I would be lying if I said I didn't think that's normal. His motivations definitely intensify the situation and I feel that is heavily due to the media
coverage these types events are given, in the way there is usually blame assigned to the individual in simple hatred of a group or way of life. I just wanted to try and portray my opinion that a kill is a kill regardless of background or way of life of the victim or attacker, and that in no situation is it "ok" but on occasion it is understandable and in rare instances necessary to protect your own life or the lives of those around you. Taking a life requires breaking down some serious mental barriers and sometimes people who spend a lot of time in high stress situations around people that are unusually hostile with no stated reason or individuals with different ideals they find incomprehensible, if enough things play out right those blockades begin to disappear. That is a risk everyone on this planet is subjected too.

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oefdevilvet

I'm not sure about your point Snowolf, are you stating that this individual's military training played no part in his willingness to carry out his act? Or that his personal experiences while serving in the military have no correlation to his motive?
Also was it ever pointed out what this dude's MOS was? I thought I heard somewhere he was classed with something combat arms, but never had a trustworthy information source on that. He better not try some bullshit PTSD claim if he was a fucking desk pilot, and to hell with him anyways.
Your actions are usually a reflection of your experiences, some kind of domino effect happened here and like I said before the "why" is irrelevant when non-hostile individuals have been killed just trying to get people's takes on this.

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