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2hipp4u 09-30-2012 05:24 PM

automotive engineering SUCKS!!!!!
 
Just replaced a headlight bulb in my wifes 09 Traverse, took over an hour to do. Had to unscrew to fenderwell and go in behind the tire to get to it. With just a little creative engineering it should take no more then 5 minutes. Thank god for google, otherwise it probably would have taken me three hours to do this.

Of course we all know the coorporate fucktards design things this way so the average person will have to take their cars into a shop to have things like this fixed, then they bend you over and fuck the shit out of your wallet.

Just a couple of years ago I had to replace a battery on my daughters car, I think it was a dodge stratus. Had to do a google search just to find where the battery was and wouldn't you know it, its behind the fenderwell. Had to remove the tire to get the fucking thing out. Fucking genius dumb fucking engineers.

I say make everyone of these fucking idiots have to work on the shit they design and we might get some decent autos on the road.

abqmike37 09-30-2012 05:36 PM

You think that sucks...try owning anything German. Specialty tools list from hell, just started changing oil myself on my GTI, had to buy a $40.00 oil filter draining tool and specialty socket, so that I don't crack the ass backward plastic oil filter housing.

Bones 09-30-2012 07:36 PM

I just spent 3 hours replacing an oxygen sensor. There is exactly 1/8" clearance between the tip of the unscrewed sensor and the firewall. Even with my long skinny forearms, I could only get 3 fingers on it to get the threading started. Who puts something like that there?

slyder 09-30-2012 08:28 PM

My boys Hyundai Tiburon you have to remove the whole throttle body assembly to change the rear bank of spark plugs

Frozen 09-30-2012 08:44 PM

I fucking hate working on vehicles. I hate it. And the engineers who design those things could definately put some more emphasis on serviceability. The spark plug thing for instance is absolute bullshit.

That said, I doubt its gonna be easy to cram all the shit into an engine bay that needs to go in there and still make every single item easily serviceable.

henry06x 09-30-2012 08:46 PM

Biggest reason vehicles are designed the way they are is because of assembly. Torque bits, security screws, hex head nuts, Allan wrenches, exc are all things done to keep Joe Schmo from working out in the garage. Things like this, spark plugs being in fucked up places, body parts on top of frame bolts, and other stuff like this are done because ease of assembly. All these parts are made in different factories and then thrown together at another so the engineers and designers throw it together in a way that makes for the quickest production to save time and money. They don't care about the next guy who has to work on it.

tigre 09-30-2012 08:47 PM

I had to replace the headlight switch in my Taco today (my dog chewed on it and the lights wouldn't work right) and instead of being able to just take the cover off of the steering column, the screws were put right behind the steering wheel, so I had to take that apart as well. At least it came right off and I didn't need a puller.

2hipp4u 09-30-2012 09:11 PM

Back in the 80s I worked for winston tire in LA, did brakes, struts, tires and oil changes. I don't remember which model it was but there was a nissan that you had to undo the motor mount and jack the engine up to get the oil filter out. Fucking retarded.

I still think its 50% bad design and 50% intentional to get more revenue in repairs.

Bones 09-30-2012 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by henry06x (Post 522005)
so the engineers and designers throw it together in a way that makes for the quickest production to save time and money. They don't care about the next guy who has to work on it.

I'll bet there's more to this method than just madness. With the high % percentage of cars being leased for 4-5 years, I'm sure that some of these serviceability issues are deliberate and intended to make getting another new car much more desirable than keeping the five year old one. Probably why the 100000 mile service interval involves changing nearly everything.

henry06x 10-01-2012 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 2hipp4u (Post 522009)
Back in the 80s I worked for winston tire in LA, did brakes, struts, tires and oil changes. I don't remember which model it was but there was a nissan that you had to undo the motor mount and jack the engine up to get the oil filter out. Fucking retarded.

I still think its 50% bad design and 50% intentional to get more revenue in repairs.

Ya do a spark plug change on any 3800 series Chevy car. You have to undo the rear motor mounts and roll the engine forward to be able to reach in. It not intentional to make you take it to a garage. The 3800 was ment to be for rear wheel drive cars, but since its such a strong and good engine they started stuffin it in front wheel drive cars. No redesign so where you could get to them super easy on a rear wheel drive car you can't when it's mounted for a front wheel drive.
Companies start with chassi, drive terrain, main body structure, and then work on from there so its mostly ease of production. Once one peice is done just set the next on top and bolt it down. Sure they do something's so you have to take it to a shop but all the electronics now people just make things worse so why not help them not too?
Trust me when I say shops and techs hate this crap as much as we do.

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Originally Posted by Bones (Post 522023)
I'll bet there's more to this method than just madness. With the high % percentage of cars being leased for 4-5 years, I'm sure that some of these serviceability issues are deliberate and intended to make getting another new car much more desirable than keeping the five year old one. Probably why the 100000 mile service interval involves changing nearly everything.

I went to an auto tech college and we talked about these things in class a lot. Garages and shop techs hate warranties and leases. Warranties are for customers so they will buy that brand that the brand specifies, leases are for people who like buying new cars constantly. Personally I think leasing is impractical and pointless unless you just want a new car. I know way too many people who have leases and swear they never will again because of all the restrictions. Anywho most shop techs get paid flat rate, meaning when you have a job you get paid X amount of hours to perform it reguarless of if you finish faster or slower than the aloud time. You pay this amount of time as a customer also reguarless of weather it's actually in the bay that long or not unless service guy decides to charge less, but that's another thing. As customers you don't pay warranties you car manufacturer does and their version of flat rate is usually 1/2 to 3/4 of the time as normal flat rate. At this time a tech really needs to bust ass to finish the job on time. Same goes for leases they have a warrantie also, but the dealer eill add the extra stipulations because they want them to come back in good shape. So now thinking to make shit harder to help shops and warranties and leases really does not make sense anymore. If the company would make it easier then they would pay less for your car to be fixed when its in the shop under warranty. That hour 2 hour long spark plug/wires change could take half an hour if it was all just right on top in the open.

It's like batteries being put in rediculas places anymore (saw one under the back seat, also have seen trunks). It's not to be an inconviance to you but because they are running out of room in the engine compartment. You will still have to jump it and what not and companies are aware of this, that's why they tell you in the cars manual.


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