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Old 10-18-2012, 03:31 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Flash has been used on every version of android except 4.1 and later dumbfuck. And still even then Android is kicking Apples ass with there fucked up maps and there static home screen. Not to mention you cant even attach anything to a email on the iPhone. Psss have fun in the dark ages of phone tec sheep.
herp derp find me a website that won't work on the iphone and post it here. I'll gladly check it.
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If you guys want to have fanboy wars do it in the comment sections here: Video Games, Wikis, Cheats, Walkthroughs, Reviews, News & Videos - IGN So much fanboyism on that site it will make your head spin.

I for one have a preference of one over the other, but I'm not going to call people dipshits over first-world consumer products . At the end of the day we all use what we want to use - no one is changing anyone's opinion here - just blowing steam.

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Old 10-18-2012, 03:59 PM   #43 (permalink)
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herp derp find me a website that won't work on the iphone and post it here. I'll gladly check it.
Try the manual upload section of the Garmin Connect website. Won't even work on Androids that I've tried. Know what it DOES work on? My Nokia... That's what.

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Reading from an Apple IMac in Apple HQ in Cupertino

Just saying....
No, I don't have an iPhone, but love my iPod.
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Old 10-18-2012, 04:21 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Duhhh!!! TURN OFF THE FUCKING WIRELESS!!!! Problem solved!!! Jeez!!!!
You cannot fully disable a cell phone without a complete battery pull. Apple has a fixed back plate and unless you have the screw driver on hand you can not remove it. A "turned off" phone with the battery in can still be tracked and operated by a third party if they really want to.

I have an iPhone because I simply like it better than droid. It has its flaws (as in no SD card and what not), but I think personally I like it better. Apple as a brand is greedy and so over priced. The iPhone is the only apple product I have or care to have. My HP was half the price of a apple and I have had it for 6 years with no real problems.

You want another issue that apple is cause is technically at Verizon. If you have been with Verizon for a long time with a smart phone you are grandfathered in to you unlimited data. Now if you want to buy an iPhone 5 they are forcing you to forfeit your unlimited data or buy the phone at the out right price. I'm not sure if Verizon is doing this with other new phones or just the iPhone tho and that is complete bull shit!
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You cannot fully disable a cell phone without a complete battery pull. Apple has a fixed back plate and unless you have the screw driver on hand you can not remove it. A "turned off" phone with the battery in can still be tracked and operated by a third party if they really want to.
Discharge the battery?
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Discharge the battery?
Either way dead battery or removed battery the phone is still useless. His point was to turn off your wireless to still use the functions of the phone. They can still be tapped.
Even a dead battery still holds a tiny bit of charge. The phone shuts off before its completely dead. That's why when its off the battery icon will still pop up on the screen or whatnot.
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Old 10-18-2012, 05:09 PM   #48 (permalink)
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Actually there are many things that already "rival" the iPhone to Apple TV connection. Apple TV in itself isn't really anything that mind blowing, it still lacks many features of the Boxee, Roku, and Google TV options. DLNA support has been on phones for quite some time.

Google specifically, has Google TV which is being built INTO many current TV sets (Sony, etc.) as well as another option, the Google Nexus Q which is another way to stream / access internet based entertainment.

As for other Google integrations - I actually think they outdo anything Apple can currently provide. The whole Google+ thing actually works really well. For example, say you are on your computer and you're on Google Maps (which blows away Apple maps, as has been heavily documented throughout the media world since the ios6 launch) you can save a location (add a star) and boom, next time you open up Google Maps on your Android phone - that location is saved.

Same integration with Gchat. I can be talking to someone on my work computer, walk away from my desk and just continue the conversation on my phone. Same with your bookmarks in Chrome - automatically add to your Chrome browser on your Android device.

Same with photos - you can edit your settings in Google+ so that anytime you're on a wifi connection (of even just a regular cellular connection, or you can turn it off, etc.) it will automatically upload your photos. This doesn't seem like a big deal, but it does it without you having to do anything and your photos are saved automatically. Compare that to the iTunes world where you HAVE to sync to get any of the photos.

In my opinion, the benefit of Android over iPhone (iOS) is the ability to do whatever you want to customize. You want to change your keyboard? Download a new one. Download 10 different ones if you want, and pick the one you like best. You don't like the stock browser? Download Chrome, or Firefox, or Dolphin HD, etc. You want widgets - add them, change the size, change the location, etc.

When you have an Apple product, you play by their rules. I had the OG iPhone, 3G, and 3GS before switching to Android - and there is no way I'd go back. Yes, the new iPhone is a very nice looking phone (black aluminum = awesome looking) and it has very good performance... but it still doesn't have ALL of the features of the top phones (of any OS) - which is sort of showing that Apple is now playing catchup instead of leading the pack.

You can say "Oh well I don't want NFC anyway" but why? You're telling me that if they made an iPhone 5 with NFC and one without NFC and they were both the same price - you would choose the one without?

Same thing with the larger screens. Steve Jobs said '3.5" is the perfect size for our customers' (or something to that effect). He passes away and the first thing they change is the size of the screen. Remember the whole "You're holding it wrong" thing? Get real. Arrogance.

Lastly, you (HikeswithDogs) didn't mention this but I always see Apple people claiming it, is the fact that Android is so "fragmented" because some devices don't get the new updates or newest OS refreshes, when ALL iPhones can get the latest. The problem with that is, yes the iPhone 3GS can get iOS6 - but it doesn't get the full range of features. It doesn't get the new Turn-by-Turn navigation, it doesn't get the new Panoramic camera option, Siri, etc. Same thing for the iPhone 4 actually.... you're telling me the iPhone 4 doesn't have the power to do Turn-by-Turn nav or Panoramic camera?

Or is Apple just trying to get you to upgrade to the new iPhone? That's a rhetorical question, as that is exactly what they are doing. They did it with the 3G to 3GS, giving the 3GS video recording and touting that as a feature, even though people had jailbroken their 3G even before the 3GS was announced and got video recording. They did it for the 4S, which got Siri but the 4 didn't. It's all about the $ for Apple.

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DLNA has been around for years(been using it since 2001) and I use Chrome on my PC and iPhone(yes it's all shared\synchronized) with my PC's. I love it it's great, IE9 is a huge improvement but still bites the dick compared to Chrome.

Google however does NOT have anything equivalent to Apple TV and Google Nexus Q(which is basically dead now with almost ZERO mainstream adoption) is not but I would hope that Google invents an "Airplay" "push" like product\tech in the near future.......it can't possible be rocket science. I do wish Apple TV had Amazon Prime streaming but whatever it has everything else, I can get Amazon on my PS3.

Again with Apple TV(99$ not 300$) ANYONE can walk into my house with an iOS device with ZERO configuration and wirelessly "push" 1080p video(or mirror their screen) and Dolby Digital Surround Sound to our entertainment center DIRECTLY from their phone to my TV or stereo including facetime video conferencing which we use to talk to friends across country and family deployed in the Military overseas, this also works with ANY app that has anything to do with Music or Video.....I cannot possibly tell you how convenient and useful this is when you live i a household where people are constantly coming and going and you have frequent guests and parties. Go ahead and have your grandma or girlfriend try and setup DLNA with perfect 1080p video and dolby digital surround sound over a wireless network and horribly clunky TV interface.

Now onto iTunes I 100% agree with you it is a giant terd of a bloated crap software , needs monthly updates, unstable\inefficient as hell but there are alternatives out there if you can't deal with it, with iOS 5\6 you don't need iTunes anymore unless for whatever reason you phone gets wiped or has some kind of random issue that needs a restore\reformat(Very very rare)

What I do like about iTunes(not the software the service)....cheap cheap cheap music\video....for 15$ I downloaded Jeremy Jones "Further" last night in 1080p and DD on day 1 it was available(this is the same with nearly all Snowboard videos).....I refuse to own physical copies of shit weigh me down.

Again please check your facts iPhone4 DOES have Turn by Turn but who cares both Google and Apple GPS software is total garbage compared to available 3rd party software products. See reviews for "Navigon" it's rated by most to be FAR superior to even dedicated GPS hardware and it is.

Fragmentation IS a MAJOR issue for Android devices, but NOT for everyday users.....but just pretend for a minute your a mobile software developer creating new apps and games for the Android platform. What kind of code hooks\interfaces can you expect(Varies drastically between versions), how much memory and CPU\GPU can you expect to have, what is your target screen resolution? Without having the answers to those questions creating software that will work or play well\smoothly is nearly impossible.......I"m confident Google will eventually work this out through intelligent software scaling but thats far far far from ideal.......on iOS it tells you want platforms will run on and even my 4 yo IP4 plays 99% of apps and games perfectly.

The other issue with Software development is pirating and viruses.....the reason apps almost ALWAYS come out on iOS first(and Android gets mostly cheap ports) is thats where the money is....what motivation does the average college student have to pay for a 5$-30$ app when any tool with an internet connection and basic computer skills can download and install the pirated version for free?

OK software\OS upgrades, for starters if I bought a phone and less than 2 years later I couldn't EASILY upgrade to the latest available version of Android I'd be pissed as hell.......sure not all the latest features of iOS6 work on the 6 year old 3Gs BUT the vast majority of features that make the phone attractive to the casual user ARE fully functional albe it slow\choppy in the most extreme cases.

I agree not having NFC was an oversight as to why it wasn't added to iPhone5 , I really like NFC(I pay for everything I can with my phone) and while have some serious security concerns about NFC payment transmissions\ protocols but i still thought it was a dumb oversight by apple to not include it since the additional hardware costs would have been minimal.

For the record I LIKE the old screen size I don't want some giant size device jamming me in the leg or ass when I put my phone in my pants or jackets MP3 player pocket.

Then there's the whole tablet debate, I want my phone and Tablet on the same mobile platform since all the software and apps are portable\cloud compatible and I'm sorry but compared to iPad Android has absolute SHIT for dedicate tablet applications, yes phone apps will run on a tablet but its FAR from a good experience.......I know Google is working to overcome this and it's not an issue with the hardware the Samsung Galaxy Android tablets have amazing hardware but until there's mainstream acceptance software availability will always be abysmal.

So with all that said I need a COMPELLING reason to make the jump to Android and without the quality apps(mostly games and Tablet apps) I want or an Apple TV\AirPlay equivalent(again 100% direct wireless push streaming with no setup or PC) it's just not going to happen........is that right for everyone....hell no of course not but it is the case for our household.....it is what it is simple as that.
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Flash has been used on every version of android except 4.1 and later dumbfuck. And still even then Android is kicking Apples ass with there fucked up maps and there static home screen. Not to mention you cant even attach anything to a email on the iPhone. Psss have fun in the dark ages of phone tec sheep.
Exactly what year are you living in with these statements?

Maybe you better brush up on your reading comprehension, he said mobile APPS\Sites don't use flash.........also please tell me what do you use flash for on your phone? I have it disabled it on most sites for even my PC since I'm sick of flashing blinking loud noises and annoying adds, anything that requires flash on iOS most likely already has a superior dedicated app to handle it....flash is dyeing and quickly being replaced with HTML5.

Also I have a story that may explain some of my apple "like" I somehow lost my iPhone near the summit of Brighton Utah last January.

I got home after dark and pulled up the "find my iphone" app and sure enough it gave me the near exact location of my lost phone, it was obviously to late to do anything that evening but at least I knew where it was.

The next day again with ZERO additional software of configuration I took the GF's iPhone 3Gs and went to the general location shown on the map and sent a signal to my LOST iPhone setting off a maximum volume "ping" noise allowing me to zero in on it and dig it out of 2 feet of groomer compressed snow.

It still had 80% battery left and even after being ran over by a groomer showed no damage and worked perfectly....still using the same phone today and it works as good as the day I bought it.
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This isn't really Droid vs IOS post (Droid Does), but, beginning with Ice Cream Sandwich, Adobe no longer offers Flash support.

Meaning if you have a Droid phone ICS or later, your browser will not be compatible with Flash. It isn't a Droid thing. Adobe is abandoning Flash. It won't be a huge deal since, Flash is being phased to html5, and is currently just a huge battery drain.

Will I miss flash? Honestly, yeah kinda, but it isn't a deal breaker by any means.

The only problem is that web devs have made sites compatible with IOS without Flash, but not for Droid without Flash.

Apple as a whole? Apple used to be the leader, I admit it, but now they are playing catch up and that cannot be denied.

As far as the OP, that will soon be unilateral. All OS will adhere to this. Welcome to Security vs Freedom.

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