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Old 10-19-2012, 04:03 PM   #71 (permalink)
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That's a bold claim. They beat other smart phones at what? Most of the comparisons I've seen have Jellybean beating Apple out by a significant margin. Also, nearly all the features the newest iPhone has, has already been available to Android users. Apple is a great company in that they have decent products but an AWESOME image that people go for For examples, MAC are good computers, but you can have a computer just as reliable yet faster in every way, for half the price. The only reason to get a MAC is if you prefer the OS or if you like the imagine. On a performance basis, MAC's lose every time.

I'm late to this debate, and honestly much rather not get any further involved. I probably won't reply to any arguments, but I will respectfully read them and take them into consideration.
My mac doesn't get virus's like your shitty pc does and it never has let me down. Super fast and Awsome. The iPhone is better in to many way it is compatible with way more devices ,it never failed me unlike android has. And apple has some Awsome customer service. I have yet been turned away even when the problem has be my own causing they have always fixed it without question.

It's the number one selling phone because its not the best . Why is it then, cause everyone using them are fanboys? No cause it is superior to all the rest.
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Old 10-19-2012, 04:15 PM   #72 (permalink)
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My mac doesn't get virus's like your shitty pc does and it never has let me down. Super fast and Awsome. The iPhone is better in to many way it is compatible with way more devices ,it never failed me unlike android has. And apple has some Awsome customer service. I have yet been turned away even when the problem has be my own causing they have always fixed it without question.

It's the number one selling phone because its not the best . Why is it then, cause everyone using them are fanboys? No cause it is superior to all the rest.
You sound like you're 12, so I'm going to reply to you. I believe children like you are important and deserve answers for the better of man kind. However, young one, you must learn to do your own research. It's imperative as an adult.

Apple does well because of innovation and marketing. They've come out with some impressive things, which then their competitors tend to blow out of the water shortly after. They are a good company, I believe I said that before, but there are much better and cheaper options than everything they're currently offering.

I own Apple products by the way.
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Old 10-19-2012, 04:36 PM   #73 (permalink)
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Apple does well because of innovation and marketing. They've come out with some impressive things, which then their competitors tend to blow out of the water shortly after. They are a good company, I believe I said that before, but there are much better and cheaper options than everything they're currently offering.

I own Apple products by the way.
Marketing and "friendly" ease of use "it just works" is key

I think it's also worth mentioning that not all Android phones are created equal, you have the Samsung phones running the latest version of Android which are incredible and "superior" to iPhone in many many many ways(even if those things\ways aren't compelling to me personally) and then you have cheap\free knock offs crap contract phones with total shit unreliable hardware that probably do more to hurt Android than anything, Apple doesn't have to fight this battle(they control the hardware) so having a more consistent "user experience" is allot easier for them to achieve which keeps the sheep coming back for more "Apple" when it's time for a new phone........also for some reason I see people keeping their old apple phones forever cracked\broken screen and all.....

I expect with the Motorola aquisistion(fuck you and fuck spelling and grammar) Google\Android will be in the same boat as Apple with hardware standardization and overall user experience in 2-3 years, I clearly like my iPhone and Apple TV combined functionality but eventually the tide will change unless apple does some serious new innovations and quits purposely holding features back that other manufactures are already providing with the latest high end Android phones.
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I find it highly funny that my girlfriends iPod want allow her to transfer her music from her old PC to her new one. While my cheap mp3 player does that and about everything else hers does for half the price. She however does not see the humor in that and its a touchy subject around the house. Thats why I say fuck you Apple.
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Marketing and "friendly" ease of use "it just works" is key

I think it's also worth mentioning that not all Android phones are created equal, you have the Samsung phones running the latest version of Android which are incredible and "superior" to iPhone in many many many ways(even if those things\ways aren't compelling to me personally) and then you have cheap\free knock offs crap contract phones with total shit unreliable hardware that probably do more to hurt Android than anything, Apple doesn't have to fight this battle(they control the hardware) so having a more consistent "user experience" is allot easier for them to achieve which keeps the sheep coming back for more "Apple" when it's time for a new phone........also for some reason I see people keeping their old apple phones forever cracked\broken screen and all.....

I expect with the Motorola aquisistion(fuck you and fuck spelling and grammar) Google\Android will be in the same boat as Apple with hardware standardization and overall user experience in 2-3 years, I clearly like my iPhone and Apple TV combined functionality but eventually the tide will change unless apple does some serious new innovations and quits purposely holding features back that other manufactures are already providing with the latest high end Android phones.
This is a legit point. It's the positive and negative of an open source OS.

Early on especially, Android was plagued by marginal hardware. But, Google is going to kill Motorola. They just bought them for the patents. They have no long-term interest in hardware manufacturing. They're laying off people within Motorola left and right. They're just trying to trim the fat so they can sell off the hardware manufacturing arm and just keep the treasure trove of patents.
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If you get viruses on your pc, that is just straight darwinism, and you deserve it.

Heads up Apple/Mac users: we no longer get viruses. If you know someone who does urge them to unplug or educate.
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My wife's school just got some new ipads the other day, and staff were allowed to take them home for the weekend, so I just got my first real chance to try one out. There's no question that the graphics are superior to anything in the pc world. Given the price of the damthing, that should be no surprise. However, I don't find the interface behaviour to be any more intuitive than anything pc-based or android-based. "Intuitive" is mostly a matter of what you're used to.

As others have pointed out, Apple's strength and apple's weakness are the same thing -- the fact that they have total control over their hardware and software. They can guarantee that all software adheres to their interface standards, that all hardware is interoperable with other hardware, and so on. But it also creates a bottleneck. For a small startup hardware or software company, it is so much easier to get into the pc or android marketplace. And that's the strength and weakness of the pc/android marketplace. Way more competition and innovation, with unfortunately a lot more opportunity for crap to get on the market.

As for Apple's much ballyhooed lack of need for anti-virus products, sorry no sale. Even 386bsd, arguably the most secure consumer-level o/s ever made, has had virii. Apple is simply a smaller and less interesting target. All *nix variants have been exploited, and Apple's base o/s isn't any more bulletproof.

Bottom line from my POV, is I really don't care. The main reason I don't own Apple hardware (other than an ipod) is simply that it's too pricey for me and doesn't offer anything that I need that would make me pay the extra fare. If that changes, I'll pony up the $.
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This is a legit point. It's the positive and negative of an open source OS.

Early on especially, Android was plagued by marginal hardware. But, Google is going to kill Motorola. They just bought them for the patents. They have no long-term interest in hardware manufacturing. They're laying off people within Motorola left and right. They're just trying to trim the fat so they can sell off the hardware manufacturing arm and just keep the treasure trove of patents.
Really I thought I heard rumors that they were gonna actually make their own branded tablet?

Do you mean software or hardware patents, I can see the value of the software patents of course but if their not going to create their own hardware what's the point of having those Motorola hardware patents.....are they profitable via licensing or something?

I mean I can't see them going full Apple walled garden style but I could see them forcing hardware manufactures(it's not like Samsung/HTC have another viable mobile OS to choose from) to at least meet some kind of minimum requirements as far as CPU/memory and button layout configuration......I wanna say Microsoft is doing something like this for the new windows phones which shocking I don't think are really that bad especially for the casual user that wants a cheap simple to use iOS alternative.
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I've just seen no indication that Google has long-term interest in maintaining a hardware manufacturing arm. They claim they will treat Motorola like any other manufacturer in terms of preferential treatment, access to software, etc. Sorry, I just don't buy that. I just don't see how that is a sustainable model. You own a manufacturing arm, yet you're still trying to maintain an open source model available to everyone while giving your own in-house brand no advantage?

Samsung is going to be making the tablet you speak of.

I just don't see how Google can maintain their relationship with their other manufacturing partners while they own an in-house manufacturing branch. It just seems like a huge conflict of interest no matter what Google says. Sooner or later there will be an alternative OS available. Maybe Windows finally gets their shit together or maybe it's something that isn't even on the radar right now. But, if there was a legit alternative, I have to think that manufacturers would give it a long, hard look due to the perceived conflict of interest with Google/Motorola. HTC, Samsung, and LG have all been fairly aggressive already pursuing options with Windows - primarily in AT&T, Windows just can't seem to get their shit together.

I completely agree with you that Google needs to step in and place some type of hardware minimums for Android. This hasn't been a big issue as of late with phones on the major carriers as they all have pretty robust hardware these days, but early on, you'd see phones launch and within 6 months or so they'd stop getting updates or the updates would cause huge problems because the hardware just wasn't sufficient for the new OS. Google also has to reduce the fragmentation on the market. There are way too many versions of Android out there. They said about a year and a half ago that they were actually looking to slow down the rate of development with Android in an effort to reduce this fragmentation, but I've seen no signs of that actually happening. Hell, the rumors about Jellybean started within a month of Ice Cream Sandwich officially rolling out. Jellybean has been out with the Nexus for several months and it's still not rolling out to other devices yet. I guarantee you that by the time it starts to roll out to other devices (by the end of the year) there will already be all kinds of rumors about what's next. You can't always be focused on what's next. You gotta take care of the here and now first. There are way too many versions of Android currently in use. You have low end pre-paid models still on Eclair. There's plenty of FroYo phones running around. The majority are on ICS and soon you'll have Jellybean and whatever's next after that. It seems like there are always a healthy dose of about 3 different versions on the market. That's just too much for app developers to have to deal with. The fragmentation causes most of the app problems seen in Android. The rate of development also means the app developers are constantly having to tweak their apps to ensure they're running properly. Not only do they have to deal with software fragmentation, but there's also the wide variety of hardware specs out there that they also have to consider. I'm not a developer, but I have to think it'd be a helluva headache.
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If you get viruses on your pc, that is just straight darwinism, and you deserve it.

Heads up Apple/Mac users: we no longer get viruses. If you know someone who does urge them to unplug or educate.
Now this is a valid point, haven't had a virus in god knows how long. I just download freeware anti virus from AVG and in the rare case I do stumble upon something that contains a virus it tells me right away and saves my PC. I've been telling my friends for awhile now, apple is nothing more than a long fad that will die out one day when people realize your paying inflated prices for overpriced hardware.

As for Google stepping in and "placing hardware minimums for Android," that can't really happen because the Android platform is free for anyone to use/develop/use. That's the main benefit of it, I can go and build any technological device and install an Android OS on it for free legally.

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