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Old 01-18-2013, 01:53 PM   #11 (permalink)
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And yes he was the best of the cheaters - that doesn't mean squat. It doesn't mean that they were all coming from an equal base, or that he would have done as well if no one was doping. "Everyone else was doing it" is not an excuse and certainly does not mean that he, and other dopers, didn't cheat others. Read Nicole Cooke's retirement announcement from earlier today and then try to argue that because "everyone" was doing it he wasn't that bad: Nicole Cooke's retirement statement in full | Sport | guardian.co.uk

"I have been robbed by drug cheats, but I am fortunate, I am here before you with more in my basket than the 12 year old dreamed of. But for many genuine people out there who do ride clean; people with morals, many of these people have had to leave the sport with nothing after a lifetime of hard work — some going through horrific financial turmoil. When Lance "cries" on Oprah later this week and she passes him a tissue, spare a thought for all of those genuine people who walked away with no reward – just shattered dreams. Each one of them is worth a thousand Lances."
That's the thing that gets me, how many gifted athletes got screwed out of a chance because they played by the rules. The 1 very small redeeming thing in all this is at least Lance didn't come out and point the finger at everyone else (like Mark Maguir) He owned up to it, said I did it, it was me and I knew better.

Now I wonder, since as he claims all the top riders were doing it, what will happen to those tour titles? Are they going to the 2nd place rider? If so are they going to test that person? then what, keep going down the ranks till they get to someone who was clean? After all that would be the only fair thing to do, and would be a huge lesson to athletes every where. That's really the only way things will change, as it stands it's still okay to cheat, just not okay to get caught.
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That's the thing that gets me, how many gifted athletes got screwed out of a chance because they played by the rules. The 1 very small redeeming thing in all this is at least Lance didn't come out and point the finger at everyone else (like Mark Maguir) He owned up to it, said I did it, it was me and I knew better.

Now I wonder, since as he claims all the top riders were doing it, what will happen to those tour titles? Are they going to the 2nd place rider? If so are they going to test that person? then what, keep going down the ranks till they get to someone who was clean? After all that would be the only fair thing to do, and would be a huge lesson to athletes every where.
They've already vacated the titles....
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So over this story. We all knew he cheated. He was a dick head in life. This is not news and I wish I could watch ESPN for more than 2 minutes without them bringing this shit up.
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Lance would make a good Politician
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I dont care about his cheating all that much. Happens in every sport, and most people turn a blind eye.

What makes this guy a douchebag is all the people he sued that tried to tell the truth. He sued people who had nothing....

I hope he looses everything. If he just got caught and came clean he'd be like every other athlete that got caught without all the denial this would barely be news.
This pretty much sums up my thoughts as well. I don't really care about the cheating. All the top cyclists were doing it and likely still are. What makes him a super douchebag is that he's been ruining people's lives for years suing them into oblivion for telling what he knew was the truth.
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Shit that'll probably be next....I'm a lying cheating bastard VOTE FOR ME
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Old 01-18-2013, 02:55 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Now I wonder, since as he claims all the top riders were doing it, what will happen to those tour titles? Are they going to the 2nd place rider?


The second place rider in most of those years was Jan Ulrich...he's been popped for drugs too. Which is why its comical that anyone ever thought lance was clean....the top ten has ALL been busted for EPO and there's no way he could beat them if he was clean. It's been proven its not humanly possible on various sports science websites and papers have been published for years on this very topic. That it was impossible for lance to be clean if his competitors we not. (if you want links I'll dig them up)

considering lance was paying off the UCI for years they might just leave his name in the record books. Their statue of limitations is different then USADA. Im not sure on jurisdiction but I don't think the UCI is obligated to do what USADA tells them. Ive not been following closely so maybe they do.


In that case they'll just award no one the title and leave it blank for the year. That has happened before, although not with winners. I know there are years where there is no rider listed for second place when they were later found to be doping. (Rasmussen) It will be a long dark time in the history books. Bijarne Riis admitted to doping for his TdF win in 94. His title still stands in the record books since he came out after his statute of limitations ended.

I used to be a competitive cyclist on the road and on the velodrome. And it's not any better now then it was then. I raced against juniors 15-18 who were doping and I knew of many masters (45+) racers who doped. And they weren't even racing for $ just ego boost.

I've worked doping control at UCI level events....it's a fun job!
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Thanks for the info Mixie, sounds like there is more dope in the cycling world then a trailer park
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I was a national competitive bodybuilder for years and the amounts and levels of roids taken in that sport would blow your minds. ..but it was expected to be there. Now, it's in almost every physical sport..and it's a shame.

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Can't we give lance a break, I tried riding a bike on drugs once and ended up in a bush.
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