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Old 02-11-2013, 03:12 AM   #71 (permalink)
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No, this is a huge story and encompasses many very important issues that people are concerned with. Killclimbz nixed the politics section as a result of the shit show and the fact that debating purely politics does not serve the community. This off topic section is here to discuss anything non snowboarding including current news and events. I personally have no problem with some light political discussion so long as it relates to the topic being discussed like drone strikes on American citizens on our own soil.

Now if that escalates I to a Republican versus Democrat argument , its time to let the poor old dead horse just rest in peace and close the thread. I can't and won't speak for Killclimbz but I personally am totally fine with political discussion if it relates to a specific topic and don't want people to be afraid of making a relevant point because it may be political in nature.
Ok Thank you Snowolf. Hopefully we didnt start another shitstorm here otherwise Im outta politics forever lol!
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Old 02-11-2013, 07:56 AM   #72 (permalink)
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No worries. Just a reminder to all to keep any political point relevant to the larger topic and unlike the politics section, forum rules of civil conduct apply so peeps need to be civil and respectful when talking about issues. Really trying here to set a new tone for everybody on the forum. I along with others haven't had the best track record in this area and I want to change that in myself and set a better example than I may have in the past.....
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Old 02-11-2013, 08:31 AM   #73 (permalink)
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Here is my problem with the whole situation. If they can't I'd his truck correctly, what makes the police think that blindly shooting at people with a drone will do? Holy shit. I almost can't believe this is really happening.
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Wow...drone attacks for an alleged crime. Habeas Corpus anyone?
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If this authorized drone strike is actually carried out, the U.S. will have made it's first MAJOR step towards becoming a full military dictatorship (I say major because many smaller steps have been made since 9/11). These are scary times...
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If this authorized drone strike is actually carried out, the U.S. will have made it's first MAJOR step towards becoming a full military dictatorship (I say major because many smaller steps have been made since 9/11). These are scary times...
I've heard the dictatorship term thrown around quite a bit lately. Do you think this term applies in a representative form of government?

And I think that step was taken awhile ago with the passage of NDAA.
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Old 02-11-2013, 09:44 AM   #77 (permalink)
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That was my take on it as well. From reading this CNN transcript, I am getting the feeling that this guy is on Obama's "hit list" so I think if this guy is out in the open attempting to flee to Mexico, a drone will open up on him!

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That's just fucking nuts to use a drone to take someone out. Isn't there a high probability that innocent people will get taken out because of that? Is the possible death of many innocent people worth it just to end this guy?
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I've heard the dictatorship term thrown around quite a bit lately. Do you think this term applies in a representative form of government?

And I think that step was taken awhile ago with the passage of NDAA.
I think you can definitely have a full military dictatorship arise from representative government; it's already happening. Once all the pieces are in place (Patriot Act, DHS, NDAA, NDRP, and now drone strikes on U.S. soil against "domestic terrorists"), it just becomes a matter of flipping the switch. Anyone who opposes it, under the NDAA, can be labeled a "domestic terrorist" and executed via drone stike. All the while convincing the masses that the only way to be safe is to have the government/military protect us from the evil within. Half the country is already on board with their push to ban guns saying things like "Only the military and police should have guns". That's how it started in Germany in the 30's.

I'm not a tin foil hat kinda guy, but with all the blatant infringements on our rights (see the list of acts above) over the last 15 years; you've got to be kidding yourself if you aren't concerned.
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They haven't said whether or not the drone is going to be used for surveillance/tracking or to perform the strike. Either way, I'm dubious about the use of drones on our soil for either reason. They need air support to find him but this sets a very bad precedent in my opinion.

As for the entire Dorner manifesto, I do not agree with what he's doing. Not at this point, anyway. Yes, LAPD are corrupt. I have had my experiences on the East Coast with Baltimore PD and Philadelphia PD (was able to avoid any run ins with NYPD although a Hoboken police were really cool and helpful when my R6 got jacked) and my gut tells me that most metropolitan area PDs are, to some extent, corrupt and essentially extortion schemes on the citizens that live there. Even some rural area PDs and sheriff's offices fall under this category; go research about the Blount County Sheriff's Department and all the bullshit they pulled on the Tail of the Dragon @ Deal's Gap.

Anyway, this will NOT solve the corruption problem with the police. If anything, it will make it worse because the PD and city will use this to justify more measures for the sake of security, the population will comply and this will exacerbate the corruption. Rooting for him to kill some cops, in the meantime, might seem fun but this entire ordeal is going to make the underlying problem worse.
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I think you can definitely have a full military dictatorship arise from representative government; it's already happening. Once all the pieces are in place (Patriot Act, DHS, NDAA, NDRP, and now drone strikes on U.S. soil against "domestic terrorists"), it just becomes a matter of flipping the switch. Anyone who opposes it, under the NDAA, can be labeled a "domestic terrorist" and executed via drone stike. All the while convincing the masses that the only way to be safe is to have the government/military protect us from the evil within. Half the country is already on board with their push to ban guns saying things like "Only the military and police should have guns". That's how it started in Germany in the 30's.

I'm not a tin foil hat kinda guy, but with all the blatant infringements on our rights (see the list of acts above) over the last 15 years; you've got to be kidding yourself if you aren't concerned.
This very nature of humans means all these calls for security will always result in subjugation and oppression. The ironic part is, as the middle class and poor get wiped out and become less safe, they will call for more action from government to protect them from the predators (white collar criminals and red collar ones) not knowing that these measures only serve to further oppress them.
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