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Old 08-28-2008, 08:13 AM   #11 (permalink)
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There have been numerous cases where the same freaky-ass thing in sky has been caught on video tape by major news agencies, airport control towers, handheld cameras, and witnessed by hundreds of people.
Government testing!...

I say BS to the whole lot of it, but (much like snowolf), I enjoy the thought and stories of 'ghosts' and 'spirits' and the like... I guess I' open to the concept. I don't see it in quite the same light as religion though, cuz if that were so I'd be an athiest.

Whenever I hear stories or entertain the thought of "haunted places", common sense and the lack of proof usually allows me to excuse those stories as fantasy.
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Old 08-28-2008, 08:16 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Paolo, despite being British, I usually agree with you and find you to be grounded in good critical thought and judgment.
thank you; however i am english. do not lump me in with jocks, taffs and paddies!

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There have been numerous cases where the same freaky-ass thing in sky has been caught on video tape by major news agencies, airport control towers, handheld cameras, and witnessed by hundreds of people.
this i do not dispute. however, whilst semantically speaking this flying object is to the observer 'unidentifiable' the acronym UFO implicitly suggests an extra-terrestrial visitation; and here lies the fantasy i referred to.

sorry if i leapt to such a conclusion with inadequate interim steps. but we seem to agree that it is an even greater leap to conclusion, that the unexplainable can be explained as being 'alien'....

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This is not say that such events are per se extraterestial, but there is clearly something going on, no matter what that source is.
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Old 08-28-2008, 08:27 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Paolo, simple because something is "unprovable" does not mean that it does not exist.
absolutely. we agree that even with the odds of 9999999999999999 - 1 of something not existing... there is still a slim chance that it does. but....

how many people in the world when asked would state without doubt that there is a god / alien / pixie / tooth fairy / santa claus / UFO etc.....?

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Are these things "wishful thinking" because science can't "prove" what is happening, at this point in time? Were bacteria, virus, and plague "wishful thinking" before a cause could be proved by science?
i completely agree with you. i think it is healthy to retain an element of agnosticism in even the most confident conclusion, if for no other reason than to acknowledge the limitations of our comprehension.

a good example from my own melon, is that there is no such thing as infinity. ironically, the concept of something without end only exists, because our intellectual capacity is too FINITE to perceive it!

but we can only go on what we know. i might claim definitively that there is no such thing as 'x', on the basis of what we think we know right now..... but we are not incapable of considering PROBABILITY.

otherwise, why stop at aliens in space or god on earth of fairies at the end of your garden? why not imagine a tea pot orbiting the sun? just coz you cannot prove it is there, should we suspend conclusions that it is insanity to presume that it is?
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UFO implicitly suggests an extra-terrestrial visitation; and here lies the fantasy i referred to.
(1) UFO means "unientified flying object." That could be man made, or not. It is just that, unidentified. Whilst some people chose to inject extra-terrestrial implications into that wording, the proper use is to take the words at face value, which incorporate any "UFO."

(2) Put on the any nature TV show. You'll see humans pulling fish out of water and putting little tags on them to monitor their activity. Is it presumptious to think that humans are the highest form of intelligence in the universe, and we are not being "visted" as the fish are?
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how many people in the world when asked would state without doubt that there is a god / alien / pixie / tooth fairy / santa claus / UFO etc.....?
Actually, far, far too many of them. Esp the "god" one.

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why not imagine a tea pot orbiting the sun? just coz you cannot prove it is there, should we suspend conclusions that it is insanity to presume that it is?

See, now your doing just what Krisian accused you of in the volleyball / tits thread. While there can be merit in stretching a point to an extreme for the purpose of illustrating an issue, one must also be bounded by common sense and the point to which absurdity becomes apparent on its face. As such, I dismiss your last point as lacking any substantive argument, although, it does make for a nice visual. Figuers a Brit (oh, did I use that word again? Pardon me!) would pick a tea pot.
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otherwise, why stop at aliens in space or god on earth of fairies at the end of your garden? why not imagine a tea pot orbiting the sun? just coz you cannot prove it is there, should we suspend conclusions that it is insanity to presume that it is?
well, technically it would be possible to prove that there isn't a teapot orbiting the sun.



oh.. and the acronym UFO can only implicitly 'suggest' whatever you want it to... to some people (logical ones) UFO doesn't imply 'extraterrestrial'
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well, technically it would be possible to prove that there isn't a teapot orbiting the sun.



oh.. and the acronym UFO can only implicitly 'suggest' whatever you want it to... to some people (logical ones) UFO doesn't imply 'extraterrestrial'
I like how KriShan made the exact two same points I just did, but did so in much more direct, clear, and concise manner. Haha.
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haha, i dunno if you've noticed, but my literary skills cannot compare to those of a law student's

Engineers type good english....durrrrr... haha and yeah, I ninja posted you; same post time
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haha, i dunno if you've noticed, but my literary skills cannot compare to those of a law student's
No, it's far better. All law school teaches you how to do is "declarify" an issue. hah.
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No, it's far better. All law school teaches you how to do is "declarify" an issue. hah.


Oh no it teaches much more than that, just like medical school
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