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Old 08-28-2008, 10:00 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Well although people should take the term UFO at face value majority don't and will instantly relate it to ET the extra testicle.

Look I don't neccisarily believe in ghosts or and thing of that sort but it is sometime fun to let yourself get all caught up in it. Seeing as how I live about 30min from Gettysburg be and my freinds who swear they have heard screams and seen things up there will go roam the battlefields in search of such events just for shits and giggles. I personally have never seen or heard anything except for park rangers(which are pretty fun to duck and hide from)but I wouldn't mind finding a little proof and being scared by the oogy boogy.
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Old 08-28-2008, 10:22 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Not, I am not agruing for or against the existence of another demension, ghosts, UFO's, etc in anything that follows. I am only arguing against the logic of the statement above.

Paolo, simple because something is "unprovable" does not mean that it does not exist. All it means is that we limited understanding of that thing, at this point in time. If anything, the best support for that is the history of science itself.

Science is filtered through the lense of human understanding, which is limited. Limited knowledge will always provided a skewered perspective of reality. Moreover, how do you define "proof?" Science sees things occur in deep space all the time that it has no expliantion for. Are these things "wishful thinking" because science can't "prove" what is happening, at this point in time? Were bacteria, virus, and plague "wishful thinking" before a cause could be proved by science?
Oy too many quotes from too many people to respond to.

Sedition, the "freaky" things in the sky are only freaky because they are unknown. Once they become known, the freak factor vanishes as well as all the paranormal silly talk. Quite simply, it is the human imagination and fantasy that has tried explain the unknown. To use your exmaple, viruses did not exist before science proved them. They were evil spirits that attacked you because you let your faith in god slip. Anyone who said otherwise was a heretic.

So here we are again. We lack the tools and knowledge to explain things that we have seen. Our mind requires an explination and uses our imagination to fill that requirement. It can't be explained by our science so it must be teh alienz. Anyone who doesn't agree isn't a "believer".


Paolo as to your earlier comment on multiple dimensions. Your definition of multiple dimensions is fantasy yes. Those don't exist and were dreamed up. However, science has proved already that our reality is effected by other realities at a quatum level. Matter at a certain point fluctuates between states or realities until acted on by another force. It's a tad hard to go into the documentation and how it was proved on a forum, but it has been.
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Old 08-28-2008, 10:30 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Oy too many quotes from too many people to respond to.

Sedition, the "freaky" things in the sky are only freaky because they are unknown. Once they become known, the freak factor vanishes as well as all the paranormal silly talk. Quite simply, it is the human imagination and fantasy that has tried explain the unknown. To use your exmaple, viruses did not exist before science proved them. They were evil spirits that attacked you because you let your faith in god slip. Anyone who said otherwise was a heretic.
That was basically my point. Only now, I think, the role of who is allowed to cast the term "hertic" has been reversed. Today, if someone does not believe something science can prove / disprove, they are considered loony. The opposite used to be true via the Church.

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Old 08-28-2008, 10:30 AM   #24 (permalink)
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(1) UFO means "unientified flying object." That could be man made, or not. It is just that, unidentified. Whilst some people chose to inject extra-terrestrial implications into that wording, the proper use is to take the words at face value, which incorporate any "UFO."
for sure. but this is to ignore the common,interpretted meaning of the use UFO.

do a google image search of 'UFO'.... you do not see an indistinct form of an aircraft; the unidentified element being the manufacturer or model of aeroplane... you see those craft which culturally, traditionally, ferry around 'little green men'.

but this really goes without saying, as afterall, this issue has been riaed and sustained in a thread originally considering phenomena such as ghosts!

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(2) Put on the any nature TV show. You'll see humans pulling fish out of water and putting little tags on them to monitor their activity. Is it presumptious to think that humans are the highest form of intelligence in the universe, and we are not being "visted" as the fish are?
it is presumptive to claim we are the highest form of intelligence in a universe which we largely no absolutely nothing about.

but are beings from another planet catching and tagging us like fish? of course they fucking aren't.
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haha, i dunno if you've noticed, but my literary skills cannot compare to those of a law student's

Engineers type good english....durrrrr... haha and yeah, I ninja posted you; same post time
Dude your literary skills don't even compare with a mint tic-tac. Shouldn't you be mowing perp's lawn right now?
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do a google image search of 'UFO'...
Oh, god. Paolo is now appealing to The Google and Internets to establish truth. Indeed, you are Brit. No Englishman would ever stoop to such American-type arguments!
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While there can be merit in stretching a point to an extreme for the purpose of illustrating an issue, one must also be bounded by common sense and the point to which absurdity becomes apparent on its face. As such, I dismiss your last point as lacking any substantive argument, although, it does make for a nice visual.
a teapot in orbit is 'absurd', says the man who initiates a thread regarding ghosts and the paranormal?

you have seen ghosts and have evidence of their existence as much as i have for a celestial teapot and yet i am absurd?

in any event, this Brit wasn't the creator of this 'visual';

Russell's teapot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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well, technically it would be possible to prove that there isn't a teapot orbiting the sun.
then please do
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you have seen ghosts and have evidence of their existence as much as i have for a celestial teapot and yet i am absurd?
I have made no claims to believe, or disbeleive, any of this paranormal stuff. However, I totally disbelieve some of the inane "arguments" (mere opinions, actually) that have been advance to dismiss the entire social phenomena.

And yes, you are absurd. You guys talk funny and still have a Queen. That is pretty absurd. Well, maybe not as absurd as George Bush...ok, you win.
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Oh, god. Paolo is now appealing to The Google and Internets to establish truth. Indeed, you are Brit. No Englishman would ever stoop to such American-type arguments!
oh now that is just being mean.

i was not trying to establish 'truth' but the mere popular perception of UFO;

example #1 DCP: 'Well although people should take the term UFO at face value majority don't and will instantly relate it to ET the extra testicle.'
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