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sedition 08-27-2008 08:31 PM

Ghosts & the Paranormal
 
Do any of ya'll believe ghosts / paranormal / etc. Yes or no, why?

On a side note, there is legend that my local mountain is haunted.

The Legend of Lucy Keyes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Legend of Lucy Keyes (2006) (The movie)

Colonial ghost story haunts a local filmmaker - The Boston Globe

The Legend of Lucy Keyes by John Stimpson

baldylox 08-27-2008 10:51 PM

dead people watch you shower.....


it's all crap.

BurtonAvenger 08-27-2008 11:07 PM

Chris Hanson watches you watching people.

PaoloSmythe 08-28-2008 05:23 AM

ghosts, fairies, leprechauns, tooth fairies, trolls, goblins........ bollocks.

UFOs? bollocks.

life on other planets? possible but only from a statistical basis of probability combined with how little we know.

god? well i would say agnostic, but this is only on the same sort of basis as life on other planets.

however, speaking of scientific proof (your fault mr snowolf) it is more than likely to be bollocks.

mr wolf, if you wish, i can send to you a link to a book, which you may have heard of and would DEFINITELY find reward in reading.

sedition 08-28-2008 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by PaoloSmythe (Post 63571)
UFOs? bollocks.


What, then, is the explanation for all the odd things people have seen and documented? Man made?

PaoloSmythe 08-28-2008 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Snowolf (Post 63574)
I remain open about so called ghosts basically because I think there is a possibility of multi dimensions which could overlap on rare occasions and we in our dimension could perhaps catch a fleeting glimpse of another occupying the same space and time, but shifted somehow.

this is an interesting and revealing piece of thought. the concept of other dimensions, just like 'life after death', is a theory of fantasy, conjured up by human sourced wishful thinking. by their its own definition, it exists due to being unprovable.

clearly such a removed dimension, be it in time or space, is so far removed that we have seen nothing of it. and yet we retain the idea that it could be. this is reminiscent of God theory, of outer space teapot theory and the flying spaghetti monster theory.

such 'possibilities' exist only because we have the ability to imagine them, and nothing more.

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Again, totally agnostic on all of this, but I can see where ghostly phenomenon could be possible with a scientific explanation.
issues of theology and the supernatural do not like scientific endeavour. this is because thus far, all scientific endeavour has concluded that such things are utterly bogus. of course, when the day arrives (which it won't) that science proves a god or ghost or whatever, such believers will suddenly embrace those disciplines they so strenuously claim to be irrelevent today. indeed, vast amounts of money are spent towards finding such 'scientific proof' but as none is found, we hear nothing about it!

sorry wolfie, i have no book link. it is the pdf file itself. PM me an e-mail address and i will happily forward to you the item.

PaoloSmythe 08-28-2008 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by sedition (Post 63578)
What, then, is the explanation for all the odd things people have seen and documented? Man made?

human imagination, fantasy and presumption

PaoloSmythe 08-28-2008 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by mpdsnowman (Post 63579)
I think the soul somehow continues on.

show me evidence of a 'soul' and then we might consider how it 'lives on'.

point is, it doesn't exist in the first place!

sedition 08-28-2008 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by PaoloSmythe (Post 63583)
human imagination, fantasy and presumption

Paolo, despite being British, I usually agree with you and find you to be grounded in good critical thought and judgment. Here, however, I think your statement is a bit off the mark.

There have been numerous cases where the same freaky-ass thing in sky has been caught on video tape by major news agencies, airport control towers, handheld cameras, and witnessed by hundreds of people. Fantasy, properly defined, is to say that mere "human imagination, fantasy and presumption" can dismiss such events. This is not say that such events are per se extraterestial, but there is clearly something going on, no matter what that source is.

sedition 08-28-2008 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by PaoloSmythe (Post 63582)
...is a theory of fantasy, conjured up by human sourced wishful thinking. by their its own definition, it exists due to being unprovable...

Not, I am not agruing for or against the existence of another demension, ghosts, UFO's, etc in anything that follows. I am only arguing against the logic of the statement above.

Paolo, simple because something is "unprovable" does not mean that it does not exist. All it means is that we limited understanding of that thing, at this point in time. If anything, the best support for that is the history of science itself.

Science is filtered through the lense of human understanding, which is limited. Limited knowledge will always provided a skewered perspective of reality. Moreover, how do you define "proof?" Science sees things occur in deep space all the time that it has no expliantion for. Are these things "wishful thinking" because science can't "prove" what is happening, at this point in time? Were bacteria, virus, and plague "wishful thinking" before a cause could be proved by science?


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