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snowklinger 05-01-2013 03:19 PM

Brawl at 7000m
 
Been following this story the last couple days as various articles emerged (the event just went down on Saturday). Really interesting to take in all the different viewpoints and realize that there is probably an equal amount of blame to be shared around for wrong actions.

I first read this BBC article BBC News - Everest: Climbers Steck and Moro in fight with Sherpas

But then some real details and accounts begin to come forward....

from the westerner's view:
Chad Kellogg Everest 2013
Ueli Steck : Sherpa fight ends climber

and then the Sherpas:
Explorersweb - offsite source

and eventually Armistice....
Everest 2013: Everest Armistice

jbernste03 05-02-2013 08:54 AM

damn thats pretty wild.. been reading each of the links.. good post..i didnt hear anything about this prior to your post.

BigmountainVMD 05-02-2013 09:19 AM

After reading the accounts, including those of the Sherpas, I can't help but think if the "western" climbers showed a bit of humility and respect, non of this would have happened. Instead, they acted like macho douchebags, and the Sherpas were like "yanno what? This is our mountain, and you treat us like pack mules, so fuck you."

One of the westerners asked (over the radio for ALL other sherpas to hear) if the sherpas wanted to fight after they had a verbal encounter while climbing. I am not surprised they had an angry mob waiting for them when they got back to camp 2. Just some entitled, dickish western attitudes. One of the western guys was saying how the sherpas were jealous of all the money and western privileges the visiting climbers have... He didn't even mention or acknowledge how Mt. Everest is virtually a religious entity to the Sherpas...

jbernste03 05-02-2013 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BigmountainVMD (Post 938202)
After reading the accounts, including those of the Sherpas, I can't help but think if the "western" climbers showed a bit of humility and respect, non of this would have happened. Instead, they acted like macho douchebags, and the Sherpas were like "yanno what? This is our mountain, and you treat us like pack mules, so fuck you."

One of the westerners asked (over the radio for ALL other sherpas to hear) if the sherpas wanted to fight after they had a verbal encounter while climbing. I am not surprised they had an angry mob waiting for them when they got back to camp 2. Just some entitled, dickish western attitudes. One of the western guys was saying how the sherpas were jealous of all the money and western privileges the visiting climbers have... He didn't even mention or acknowledge how Mt. Everest is virtually a religious entity to the Sherpas...

agreed......

snowklinger 05-04-2013 03:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigmountainVMD (Post 938202)
After reading the accounts, including those of the Sherpas, I can't help but think if the "western" climbers showed a bit of humility and respect, non of this would have happened. Instead, they acted like macho douchebags, and the Sherpas were like "yanno what? This is our mountain, and you treat us like pack mules, so fuck you."

One of the westerners asked (over the radio for ALL other sherpas to hear) if the sherpas wanted to fight after they had a verbal encounter while climbing. I am not surprised they had an angry mob waiting for them when they got back to camp 2. Just some entitled, dickish western attitudes. One of the western guys was saying how the sherpas were jealous of all the money and western privileges the visiting climbers have... He didn't even mention or acknowledge how Mt. Everest is virtually a religious entity to the Sherpas...

I agree, but I think the sherpas were not innocent. Imagine hanging onto the side of a mountain having someone wave an axe at you, you are gonna say "hey if you wanna fight, lets do it down at camp, this is ridiculous". I'm not saying that is how it went down, but I very much imagine that this is where everything went to shit. It seems Simone and perhaps one of the sherpas were being real dicks, but Ueli seems to have a pretty sensitive view of the sherpas and how everything happened.

The statements about the sherpas having all the power and money in the area, but then still resenting the westerners who continue to supply and gave birth to that wealth in the first place, are right on point and a reality in post-imperial 2nd and 3rd world countries. Everything is a religious entity when you're Buddhist, especially when someone wants to pay you to borrow it.

BigmountainVMD 05-05-2013 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by snowklinger (Post 940066)
I agree, but I think the sherpas were not innocent. Imagine hanging onto the side of a mountain having someone wave an axe at you, you are gonna say "hey if you wanna fight, lets do it down at camp, this is ridiculous". I'm not saying that is how it went down, but I very much imagine that this is where everything went to shit. It seems Simone and perhaps one of the sherpas were being real dicks, but Ueli seems to have a pretty sensitive view of the sherpas and how everything happened.

The statements about the sherpas having all the power and money in the area, but then still resenting the westerners who continue to supply and gave birth to that wealth in the first place, are right on point and a reality in post-imperial 2nd and 3rd world countries. Everything is a religious entity when you're Buddhist, especially when someone wants to pay you to borrow it.

The douche made arrogant remarks about fighting on the RADIO. It was not a simple remark to the sherpas fixing the ropes.

As for the money, yes it is brought in by westerners, but it doesn't give them the right to disrespect the Sherpas. We supply all the money to the snowboard mountains... but disrespecting the people that work there is bullshit.

The Sherpa/Tibetan name for Mt. Everest is Chomolungma... it translates to "Mother Goddess of the Earth." Do you think it was only named that when more westerners started climbing it in the 50s?

snowklinger 05-05-2013 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BigmountainVMD (Post 940634)
The douche made arrogant remarks about fighting on the RADIO. It was not a simple remark to the sherpas fixing the ropes.

As for the money, yes it is brought in by westerners, but it doesn't give them the right to disrespect the Sherpas. We supply all the money to the snowboard mountains... but disrespecting the people that work there is bullshit.

The Sherpa/Tibetan name for Mt. Everest is Chomolungma... it translates to "Mother Goddess of the Earth." Do you think it was only named that when more westerners started climbing it in the 50s?

I said I agree with you but feel that you fail to acknowlege my points which are valid. I have first hand experience (as a resident, not as a toursist) in post-colonial/imperial asia and things ARE this way.

We can all agree that the Simone Moro guy really fucked everything up, but it also seems clear that at least one if not a couple of the sherpas were being dickwads(why didn't they handle the situation mano y mano as opposed to a mob threatening violence, thats shit isn't cool no matter what, lets not forget that there was one sided violence perpetrated on a vastly outnumbered group that almost did and most likely would have resulted in murder if not for the female(s?) that put themselves between the mob and climbers).

Its amazing how much credibility and reverence we give to other peoples religion when its not ours. Tourism + religious shrine = $$$ and motherfuckers everywhere (including Nepal and Tibet) waiting to cash in. Religion is big business everywhere, these sherpas are no exception just because they get to climb mountains for a living.

The various cultures that use religion to claim land and then use that claim for a defense of indefensible actions are all bullshit.

I don't claim any land for my own based on some bullshit that my ancestors did, and therefore have little sympathy for anyone who does. How about the actions of the people involved stand alone and they take responsibility instead of crying about some religious offense they made up that can be smoothed over with money.

BigmountainVMD 05-06-2013 09:48 AM

I can agree with that. There was no need for a mob of craziness, and after thinking about it, threatening to kill someone is not really the Buddhist way...

I always tended to see Buddhism as a religion "untainted" by immoral, money hungry values, but that is simply not the case.

Something that stuck out as being fishy --> when the sherpas wanted to kill these guys, but had enough religious strength to "not hit a woman."


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