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thenightmare 12-04-2008 05:05 PM

torrents yes/no
 
i use torrents all the time, you can find them everywhere. should they be legal? is it morally wrong to use them for videos, music, or software?

legallyillegal 12-04-2008 05:11 PM

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Flick Montana 12-04-2008 05:15 PM

They can't be legal unless you charge for them. And then they aren't torrents anymore.

I don't see why a buck a song is so painful for people.

I download TV episodes in torrents to skip commercials, but I'm pretty sure that isn't illegal. I could be wrong, though.

desklamp 12-04-2008 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Flick Montana (Post 89551)
They can't be legal unless you charge for them. And then they aren't torrents anymore.

I don't see why a buck a song is so painful for people.

I download TV episodes in torrents to skip commercials, but I'm pretty sure that isn't illegal. I could be wrong, though.

I got a notice from my ISP (Comcast) when I downloaded an episode of Scrubs a couple years ago warning me that it's against the DMCA and that if I continued, they'd disconnect me. I still do it, just set forced encryption and run Peer Guardian 2 or use Hulu or SurfTheChannel

Flick Montana 12-04-2008 05:25 PM

Really? Why is it illegal to get an episode of a show that I just forgot to record? Getting something for free that you don't have to pay for to begin with should not be against the law, lol.

Vlaze 12-04-2008 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Flick Montana (Post 89561)
Really? Why is it illegal to get an episode of a show that I just forgot to record? Getting something for free that you don't have to pay for to begin with should not be against the law, lol.

This is exactly why I view it as bullshit for downloading free music. You hear it on the radio, and in the old days you tape it on your stereo tape player when your favorite songs played, illegal then? No, now? Yes. I don't share the songs, I just dl it so I'm not much of a target, but I still have to watch my ass.

Same with movies or shows, they will be on tv at one point or another for free so why should I pay for something I plan on watching then deleting afterwards on my pc? They gonna sue me for hardware storage in my brain? Good luck. IMO, morally wrong, no, I'm not giving what I get to anyone or sharing to make a profit or in general. If they argue I'm getting free music that should be paid for I'll just argue that's what we get through the radio as well. I know the companies will bitch about it because I no longer buy their cd's for 10-14 songs when I only want 1-5 off the track list. For the artists, I'm not sure what their beef is claiming we food off their kid's table, statistics facts show they make majority of their money doing shows, not selling cds

desklamp 12-04-2008 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Flick Montana (Post 89561)
Really? Why is it illegal to get an episode of a show that I just forgot to record? Getting something for free that you don't have to pay for to begin with should not be against the law, lol.

Yeah, the only thing it did was piss me off. My dad wanted to mount it. :laugh:

sparty 12-04-2008 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Flick Montana (Post 89551)
I don't see why a buck a song is so painful for people.

I agree, I buy all my music.

The only things I can justify downloading is software that I can't afford even with a student discount, like Adobe After Effects of Final Cut Pro. That sh!t is expensive...:eek:

scottik187 12-04-2008 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlaze (Post 89617)
This is exactly why I view it as bullshit for downloading free music. You hear it on the radio, and in the old days you tape it on your stereo tape player when your favorite songs played, illegal then? No, now? Yes. I don't share the songs, I just dl it so I'm not much of a target, but I still have to watch my ass.

Same with movies or shows, they will be on tv at one point or another for free so why should I pay for something I plan on watching then deleting afterwards on my pc? They gonna sue me for hardware storage in my brain? Good luck. IMO, morally wrong, no, I'm not giving what I get to anyone or sharing to make a profit or in general. If they argue I'm getting free music that should be paid for I'll just argue that's what we get through the radio as well. I know the companies will bitch about it because I no longer buy their cd's for 10-14 songs when I only want 1-5 off the track list. For the artists, I'm not sure what their beef is claiming we food off their kid's table, statistics facts show they make majority of their money doing shows, not selling cds

- Yes, you hear the music on the radio for free, but the musician still gets royalties from the song being played on the radio. That is the difference.

- Just because they make more money off shows than CD sales doesn't mean that they value the money they make off CD sales any less than the money they make off shows. PLUS, CD sales are a continuing and ongoing source of money for the artist, while shows are only a one off thing.

Mind you, I'm all for downloading music...heck I do, I even give our bands music away for free...fk it.

Vlaze 12-04-2008 07:28 PM

I never said musicians do not get royalties from their songs being played on the radio. My point was, we heard it for free, and were able to tape it not worrying about lawsuits. Did that stop me from supporting the band by listening to the radio or going to their shows? No, just like it doesn't now. Point is, it's not any different IMO then from now. It's a matter of convenience getting the music online contrast to waiting for the song you want to come on the radio and tape it.


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