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Old 05-27-2013, 01:28 AM   #21 (permalink)
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[QUOTE= If he wants to attack me or my website [/QUOTE]

But he didn't.


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Old 05-27-2013, 01:32 AM   #22 (permalink)
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He did. He insinuated that I creatively interpreted FTC rules on my blog to promote products for profit/kickbacks.

That type of thing can kill websites, even when false and I don't take kindly to it. I'd rather overreact and nip it in the bud than let it grow into a bigger debate.
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this thread is nothing more than the faggotry of a jealous butthurt crybaby. no one picked you so you're crying.



fuck off you pussy ass crybaby bitch motherfucker.
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this thread is nothing more than the faggotry of a jealous butthurt crybaby. no one picked you so you're crying.



fuck off you pussy ass crybaby bitch motherfucker.
Can you specify this pussy ass crybaby bitch tits motherfucker cum dumpster douche nozzle shit pickle please? I'm a little confused on who exactly this is.

Proceed I'm enjoying this read.
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Can you specify this pussy ass crybaby bitch tits motherfucker cum dumpster douche nozzle shit pickle please? I'm a little confused on who exactly this is.

Proceed I'm enjoying this read.
ummm the asshat OP and his retarded Opost.
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ummm the asshat OP and his retarded Opost.
Thank you for the clarification sir.
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ummm the asshat OP and his retarded Opost.
While I'm no fan of the OP, I'm very confused right now. Did I miss something here?

For the record, my reply may have been stronger than necessary, but this is closer to what I'd call an overreaction:

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If he wants to attack me or my website then he'll have to do it with all the facts on the table.
Ok sorry. Here's the thing. If you get a free board, and you write a review, include a link, anything at all, then these guidelines apply to you. Doesn't matter if you're representing the company.

So, I just feel like it's odd of you to keep claiming the opposite of what it plainly says. Then I see your site endorsing certain gear and no disclosures on most of it. I don't know if that benefited you or not but it looks a little weird and maybe my comment was a little snide. It seems like a good explanation for why you insist snowboard reviews are somehow exempt from disclosure rules.

I did see that you were clear in your post about SA that it was an affiliate deal. No issues there. I saw your gear buying guide with a ton of Burton/Special Blend products listed in it, some ThirtyTwo, Electric, Dakine, K2 and a few others. Have you ever received any benefit from those brands, or did you just randomly choose them because you like them? I'm not accusing, just asking. It's plausible that you just needed examples and grabbed your favorites. Genuinely curious.


As an aside, and just my opinion, which you probably wont like...don't bother "reviewing" shit from your friend and former roommate. I'm sure you do think it's great. I think what my friends do is great too. If I don't think its great, I leave the bad parts out. It'd be a dick move for me to post a critical review of my friends product online, right? Everybody knows that no one will do that, so if they're considering a purchase, they want unbiased reviews. It doesn't matter how honest you are, you just can't objectively review that way. Of course you can do what you want, but just saying, this isn't useful. You're not doing readers a favor when you do that. You're doing your friend a favor. You can't serve both masters.

On the other hand, I bought all the SA vids, never met the guy, got no discount, and posted a review on here on my own. See, I pointed out the bad things too, even though my review was positive. You aren't gonna say anything bad about your friend and you didn't. That's not useful to people who want to know if they should spend their money. That's like NS saying they bought, er, won the Snowboard Magazine Platinum Pick. Well ok, it's not quite as bad...
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I don't know how it can be more clear that it does. You're either not reading the sources or you're willfully ignoring it.

FTC Continues to Flex Its Enforcement Muscle With Regard to Social Media Promotional Activity : TMT Law Watch



If you want to say that it applies to blogging about handbags, posting reviews of guitar videos and video games, but NOT snowboards, well, ok I guess

Edit: Ah, I just clicked your info and you seem to be a blogger who makes gear recommendations. Your odd interpretation of the rules makes more sense now
Three things. They would be going after Ann Taylor, not the bloggers.

Bloggers are different than posting on this forum.

Ann Taylor is 10000000000x bigger than NS.


As far as I know, the FTC has jurisdiction over trade, reviewers on a forum aren't really engaged in trade.

And even then, I wouldn't worry. Look at Monavie, one of the biggest scams around. Monavie tells their MLM'ers not to make promises about health, etc. etc, yet every single one did.

Now, if you were running a website it may be different. Still likely to fly under the radar but you might get a nasty letter from the FTC.

I'm an attorney (not a trade one) but hang around a lot of internet marketing forums (Warriorforum etc.) and these new rules were really to go after them. Bloggers who would pimp a product, then sell it and make an affiliate profit, while not disclosing the product was received free etc.

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While I'm no fan of the OP, I'm very confused right now. Did I miss something here?

For the record, my reply may have been stronger than necessary, but this is closer to what I'd call an overreaction:
I just call that reaction the Internet.

It's not really a big deal. I remember when the FTC came out with this ruling. Everyone was scared it was going to destroy online reviews, all it did was stop with the bullshit Mommy Bloggers endorsing the big products and made people realize they have to answer to someone.

Is it a good thing? Sure. Does everyone abide by it? Nope. Are there people out there bought off by brands? Definitely. Are there people who shouldn't be claiming to be experts posing as them? You bet ya.

The OP makes some points with these


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1. You must fully and conspicuously disclose the nature of the relationship. You don't have to say how much you were paid, but you do have to say that you were paid, or you received some benefit.

2. You can't lie. If you say you rode some board and it has X specific benefit, you need to have the expertise and evidence to say that and it has to be true. If you don't, both you and the vendor are liable for false advertising.

3. You can't make claims that you aren't qualified to make. If you write as though you are an expert, but you are not, you're violating the law.
1. You shouldn't be paid to do a review ever. This is what bit Snowboard Mag in the ass with the Platinum Picks, it's why Good Wood is a joke. If you're going to review a product just fucking do it whether it's good, bad, or indifferent. If you believe in it you believe in it if you don't you don't.

Here's an email from a brand I received back in 2010.

***** snowboards will be releasing our new product at SIA this season and would like to be on good terms with angrysnowboarder and not be a Tyrant Snowboards If there is anything we can do to facilitate a friendly atmosphere (ie. Product, hint, hint) that would be great. We will also be dropping our new site in about a month with our catalog.

How would you take that? I took it as being bribed and had a lengthy conversation with the owner of the brand where I showed him the FTC listing. Needless to say it opened the guys eyes and things became a lot different. More people do need to be well aware of the FTC ruling and be up front.

2. So many "experts" out there that don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. Granted it's snowboarding and no 2 runs are ever going to be the same as well as rider style, etc etc. Then there's the fact it's kind of an interpretive opinion on how a board rides. You need to give as many facts as you can about it. But it poses the question of "what makes someone an expert in snowboarding?" Which actually wouldn't be a bad topic for discussion.

3. See point two. I won't lie I'm a harsh asshole to anyone doing reviews. Why? Because I see so much misinformation being put out on the web by people that don't know their ass from a hole in the ground (as mentioned before). Case in point watch any video from Board Insiders. I can't stand how they mislabel tech from brand to brand. You have a board with a cheat sheet on the back and you can't tell the difference between Banana C2 and R.C. Tech? But that's another topic.

The short of it is be prepared to cover your ass, have the experience to back up what you said, and more importantly don't be a fucking shill. The last one should be blatantly obvious but people want free shit, or to be part of the cool kid club, or whatever.

As for Jeds harsh response for being called out for having posted three recommendations. I've been in his shoes, you have to build credibility with readers to gain their trust. Defending something you've created is always going to be something you have to do with a website if you want to remain credible. Hate him for it, but it should be viewed as a more admirable quality. Plus it's the Internet once you get over that you can't make everyone happy and you'll always have haters you'll realize you're on the right track.

Anyways just my .02 cents from a guy that's written a few thousand online reviews and hates doing it.
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