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Old 01-20-2010, 03:23 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I bought my very first snowboarding jacket, but made a mistake by buying it with no insulating layer. Its a Protest Geotech P10 series jacket. Yesterday tried to go few kilometers on foot and almost froze to death with it. I wore the the thermal underwear and 100% cotton pullover on it. Whats the common clothing setup with such a jackets? Does thermal underwear + one layer fleece do the job at -10..20 Celsius (14...-4F)?
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Old 01-20-2010, 03:53 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I have a similar jacket, its just a shell. A couple weeks ago, I was in Tremblant, and the temp dipped around -20Cish on average. I wore a thermal underlayer, a long sleeve shirt, and a fleece over top that, and it kept me super toasty, even on the 15 minute chair lift up through snow makers.

Once you get moving, you probably won't even feel the cold. Just need to survive the way up.
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Hi,

I bought my very first snowboarding jacket, but made a mistake by buying it with no insulating layer. Its a Protest Geotech P10 series jacket. Yesterday tried to go few kilometers on foot and almost froze to death with it. I wore the the thermal underwear and 100% cotton pullover on it. Whats the common clothing setup with such a jackets? Does thermal underwear + one layer fleece do the job at -10..20 Celsius (14...-4F)?
I go to Hokkaido every year where temps range anywhere from -10C - 30C. I wear thermal underwear, a fleece, and then my shell jacket. I never feel cold and always stay warm and dry. Cotton is your enemy. Stay away from it.
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Old 01-20-2010, 05:32 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Begin with two layers under the jacket for all but the worst days.

I'm a Patagonia whore - I love their under-layers and mid-layers.

Yes, Patagucci can be higher priced, but bargains can be found. More importantly, they're very kind to the environment. There's nothing more expensive than buying stuff from a polluter or child-labor type company. You pay for those the rest of your life.

Using Patagonia for an example, use a Merino 1 Crew for a base layer. If you're really cold-natured, use a Merino 2 or 3. Wool rocks because it still keeps you warm when it's wet, it breathes very well, and it doesn't stink. Great features in a base layer. A great midlayer is the Nano-puff pullover. It breathes well and compresses easily for storage. Many days you'll be too warm by lunch time. Removing the Nano and sticking it in your backpack or pocket makes life a bit easier.

My Hokkaido experience (using a different shell) leads me to believe this will work in almost any condition. If you're still cold, add one more base layer but that will be overkill for most conditions.
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There are people that swear by shells in cold weather which is perfectly fine. However, with shells you will have to put a lot of thought into your layers. Cotton is a major NO! Cotton gets wet and wet cotton is a very poor insulator. You can do cotton blends such as 80%Polyester/20%Cotton, but I wouldn't even recommend that. The best way to do it is to wear a compression fit first layer such as an Under Armour base 1.0 (you can use whatever brand you want, Patagonia is a great alternative), something more fitted as a second layer (like your thermal), and a fleece for your third layer (Merino Wool optimal here). I personally prefer insulated jackets (they come in different weights, I favor 60grams) over shells since I don't like wearing any more than two layers. I would use a shell in warmer weather though. Whatever tickles your pickle.
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My Special Blend Utility which is a shell is great. I wear a HH base layer then a UA hoodie and I am toasty. Have never felt cold even in -15 days. Its all about your layering.
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virtually anything can be used between your base layer and your shell as insulation and since there are hundreds if not thousands of products in different weights and different materials, the possibilities are endless. try a heavy fleece sweater or down vest for super cold days. if it's still too cold, wear both and shed one when the skies open up. on warm days, just wear your shell and your base layer. for in-between days, rock a light fleece hoody under your shell. and anything an insulated jacket provides can be acheived with a shell and an insulated layer and, in fact, your shell gives you the flexibility to change it up as conditons change without having to waste money on different jackets with different insulation. my opinion though.

when you say thermal underwear, you mean a proper base layer? meaning it should be thin, snug-fitting, moisture-wicking material (brands are generally irrelevant they all do the same thing).

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I have just a shell. I was recently on a hill with -18 and I was hot...I wore Under Armour cold gear, long sleeve shirt that is 70% cotton, fleece, and then the shell.

I'd say it all starts with the base layer and making sure you remove the sweat from your body. The cotton shirt that I have is ok. I'd rather not have a cotton but, it worked.

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Cotton works until wet. Then, you get cold. Then sick. The saying is Cotton Kills. Most of us don't go that far for that long. But I've had lots of students get sick. They told me the same thing.
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Under Armour as a base then a thermal and you should be ok.
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