i threw up in my mouth a little....
Man...your hands dont get cold...is that cause of nerve damage???
This thread is gonna explode with 100 replys none of which will help answer hoon's question...lol
To add "some value", I have burton gore-tex outer gloves. Same ones you're looking at but the wrist cuff goes outside your jacket cuff (tho i still stuff it inside). Its an okay glove...not for 60-80 bucks tho. I bought it for 25 bucks on WM...and thats worth it. The finger tips are fraying a bit after 2 seasons but these gloves have taken a beating as I learned in this gloves on the ice coast...so a lot of clawing and scraping to stay up