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Old 07-24-2011, 10:39 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hello!

It`s my first post in the forum, although I`ve been reading it for some months.

I`m trying to decide which jacket to pick for 2011/2012 season in Colorado (Winter Park area).

So far I`ve selected 5 that I like most, according to breathability, waterproofness, insulation and, of course, styles that I like. I also considered the ammount of pockets as a last point.

However, I don`t know whether some specific features make one jacket worse or better, such as the wrist gaiters (some have them, some don`t), or whether that isn`t a big deal.

Below I`ll list the jackets` main features and pictures, so you can post your opinion for the best one.

Consider all of them are being the same price (actually they are sort of in the same price range).


Thank you in advance!

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I`ve read many posts about jackets in this and other forums, and now I`m 90% decided to buy the 686 Smarty 2.5-Ply Complete Jacket, since it has a great Waterproof/Breathable rating, and can be used as an insulated jacket (witht he liner and vest attached) or also as a shell, just by detaching the liner and vest.

I`ll probably go for the Blue or the Black.

Now one question that those who own this jacket could help me is about sizing.

I`m 6' 159 pounds and usually wear M on regular clothes, getting just the right fit. Would I need an M for the jacket aswell, or would the L be better? Anyways, would the L be just a little baggier, or would it be too much?

#0 - 686 Smarty 2.5-Ply Complete Jacket



Material: [shell] InfiDry-20 (DWR-coated polyester); [lining] nylon taffeta, polyester tricot, polyester mesh lycra; [liner] 100% polyester microfleece
Insulation: [lining] 60g polyfill
Fabric Waterproof Rating: 20000 mm
Fabric Breathability Rating: 15000 g/m
Fit: loose
Pockets: (shell) 2 front, 1 interior goggle, 1 chest, (liner jacket) 2 hand, (liner vest) 2 hand
Seams: fully taped

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#1 - Volcom Sevendial Jacket

15,000 waterproof/10,000 breathable
V- Science Plain Weave
V- Science Breathable Lining System
Fully Taped Seams
Zip Tech Pant to Jacket Interface
2 Way Adjustable Quick Cinch Hood
Peripheral Hood Adjustment
Super Suede Chin Guard
Mesh Lined Zippered Vents
Stretch Adjustable Powder Skirt w/ Stash Pocket
Adjustable Powder Skirt w/ Stash Pocket
Powder Skirt Jacket to Pant Interface
V- Science 2 Way Cuff System
Brushed Tricot Lined Hand Warmer Pockets
Pocket Access Hem Cinch
Noise Pocket
Pull Down Pass Pocket
Stone Ticket Ring
Whistle Zipper Pull
No wrist gaiters


#2 - Rome Filmore Jacket

15,000 waterproof/10,000 breathable
Regular fit
Fully taped seams
StormSeal system
80gm insulation in the body/40gm insulation in the sleeves
StormSeal pant-to-jacket attachment loops
Removable two-level adjustment powder skirt
Three-way adjustable ErgoHood
Adjustable cuff
Two-way mesh-lined armpit vents
DWR
Tafetta lining throughout
600mm waterproof Tafetta lower body and hood
Brushed Tricot handwarmer pockets
Drop-down pass window
Interior cargo pocket
Interior goggle pocket with chamois
Pass pocket on sleeve
Interior stash pockets
Lycra wrist gaiters


#3 - Oakley Entire Jacket

15,000 waterproof/20,000 breathable
Laminated polyester oxford
Insulated jacket, 3M Thinsulate
Fit: loose
Underarm vents
Removable Powder Skirt
Pockets: 2 front
Fully taped seams
Fulltime fixed hood, magnet system
Wrist gaiters


#4 - Volcom X-Wing Jacket

15,000 waterproof/10,000 breathable
V- Science "T.D.S." Thermal Defense System 2- Layer
V- Science Broken Dobby
V- Science Breathable Lining System
60 gm Low- Loft Insulation
Fully Taped Seams
Zip Tech Pant to Jacket Interface
2 Way Adjustable Quick Cinch Hood
Peripheral Hood Adjustment
Goggle Clips
Super Suede Chin Guard
Mesh Lined Zippered Vents
Stretch Adjustable Powder Skirt w/ Stash Pocket
Adjustable Powder Skirt w/ Stash Pocket
Powder Skirt Jacket to Pant Interface
V- Science 2- Way Cuff System
Brushed Tricot Lined Hand Warmer Pocket
Pocket Access Hem Cinch
Goggle Pocket
Noise Pocket
Pull Down Pass Pocket
Stone Ticket Ring
Whistle Zipper Pull
No wrist gaiters?



#5 - Special Blend P2 Utility Jacket

15,000 waterproof/10,000 breathable
Fully taped seams.
Pit Zips
Multiple utility pockets for maximum storage.
Arm Pocket
Interior goggle pocket.
Relaxed fit through the torso and sleeves.
100% polyester.
10,000G breathability.
Pit venting.
Attached Hood
Removable hood.
Adjustable drop-hood.
Brushed tricot chin guard.
Key clip.
Removable powderskirt. Adjustable powderskirt with jacket-to-pant interface.
Grommet Detail
Yo-yo pass holder.
Although this jacket is not reversible, it is shown reversed in the multiview to display its internal features.
Interior glove loops.
No wrist gaiters

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I would probably go with number 2 or 3
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One thing I've discovered (for myself, at least) is that the breathability number is more important than the waterproof number. Even on rainy days I seem to get wet from the inside out way faster than from the outside in even with jackets as "low" as 10k waterproof rating.
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Why do you want/need an insulated jacket?
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Old 07-25-2011, 08:09 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Why do you want/need an insulated jacket?
As a beginner I think that it might help me by the fact that I would need to use less layers than when wearing a non insulated, specially in Colorado, where temps are usually very cold...

But anyways I`ll appreciate if you show me your opinion about this. It`s always time to learn, and that`s why I opened this thread; I`ve still got a lot to learn on this...
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Well, despite the style of each of those jackets I listed above, I`d like to know which one would be technically better... Or if I should go for a Shell instead. Remember that I`ll be in Winter Park area (Colorado) for about three months, and that`s where I`ll wear the jacket. And also that I`m a beginner! (progressing during the season)
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#5 IMO, i have a special blend and there pretty waterproof and dry up quickly. well mine atleast.

and the yo yo pass holder is awesome. wont get another jacket without it.
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Old 07-28-2011, 12:56 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Default EDIT / UPDATE -686 Smarty 2.5-Ply Complete Jacket

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I`ve just posted an EDIT on the top post for those who are just getting at the thread, that I`ll repeat over here:


I`ve read many posts about jackets in this and other forums, and now I`m 90% decided to buy the 686 Smarty 2.5-Ply Complete Jacket, since it has a great Waterproof/Breathable rating, and can be used as an insulated jacket (witht he liner and vest attached) or also as a shell, just by detaching the liner and vest.

I`ll probably go for the Blue or the Black.

Now one question that those who own this jacket could help me is about sizing.

I`m 6' 159 pounds and usually wear M on regular clothes, getting just the right fit. Would I need an M for the jacket aswell, or would the L be better? Anyways, would the L be just a little baggier, or would it be too much?

#0 - 686 Smarty 2.5-Ply Complete Jacket



Material: [shell] InfiDry-20 (DWR-coated polyester); [lining] nylon taffeta, polyester tricot, polyester mesh lycra; [liner] 100% polyester microfleece
Insulation: [lining] 60g polyfill
Fabric Waterproof Rating: 20000 mm
Fabric Breathability Rating: 15000 g/m
Fit: loose
Pockets: (shell) 2 front, 1 interior goggle, 1 chest, (liner jacket) 2 hand, (liner vest) 2 hand
Seams: fully taped
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As a beginner I think that it might help me by the fact that I would need to use less layers than when wearing a non insulated, specially in Colorado, where temps are usually very cold...

But anyways I`ll appreciate if you show me your opinion about this. It`s always time to learn, and that`s why I opened this thread; I`ve still got a lot to learn on this...
Where in Colorado are you going? If you check this climate table for Breckenridge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brecken...lorado#Climate )
you'll see that the average high during the 3 coldest months of the year (December, January, February) is 32F. That is usually measured at the bottom of the mountain. Temperatures on the slopes will be ~5 colder than that, which is on the warm side for winter snowboarding.

As a beginner, you'll want to concentrate on staying dry (because you will be falling in the snow a lot)

Even for a beginner that falls a lot and doesn't have enough endurance to keep moving, an insulated jacket would make you very warm as you were riding. For most people, a (non-cotton) base layer and shell would be enough to stay warm while snowboarding in the mid 20'sF

You might get chilly on the lift, or on a particularly cloudy, windy day, but that is mother nature's way telling you to shred some more gnar.

Consider using an optional light, cheap mid-layer. I use el-cheapo $10 fleece from Marshall's or sometimes my body armor as my mid layer.

Even on days where it does get cold (like 5F at the base of the mountain), your core usually stays pretty warm and it is your extremities and exposed parts that cause you grief (hands, feet, face, head).

-EDIT-
I am 5'7" and 175 lbs. 31" waist and I have plenty of room in most medium jackets.

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