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post #21 of 64 (permalink) Old 03-10-2012, 09:46 AM
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This man speaks the truth. I have a Bern Watts and love it. Warm and low-profile. Some dont like the "Hard Hat" tech as it uses Brock foam for multiple impacts. Its not technically "snow sport" certified but it will get the job done and is more comfortable in my opinion than EPS. Plus if you take a small knock to the dome on a rail you wont need to replace it, unlike most helmets that use EPS which is a one hit wonder.


thanks for the info. I want to get a Bern and was trying to decide hard hat or EPS. From reading their site it was a bit confusing as to which offered more protection. As one was "certified" for snow or something and one could take multiple hits.

I def need to get a multiple hit helmet, I jinx myself with a bad crash every time I buy an expensive lightweight bike helmet. I've done it twice now--buy a $200 helmet and crack in half the next day. Its painful in many ways
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thanks for the info. I want to get a Bern and was trying to decide hard hat or EPS. From reading their site it was a bit confusing as to which offered more protection. As one was "certified" for snow or something and one could take multiple hits.

I def need to get a multiple hit helmet, I jinx myself with a bad crash every time I buy an expensive lightweight bike helmet. I've done it twice now--buy a $200 helmet and crack in half the next day. Its painful in many ways
Just be careful in your research and decision. Cars have crumple zones designed to disperse energy away from the driver. The car is the worst for wear in the event of a crash. Older cars which are harder/more rigid in the same size suffered less damage but transmitted more energy to the driver. Many helmets are the same way. Now if the helmet has the technology to provide the same level of protection without being destroyed, go for it. I'm not in the trees or even narrow groomers yet. When I get there I will be looking for a helmet known and tested for minimal brain damage.
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Wow...thanks for the feedback guys.

I went and tried on the Smith Maze and Holt which were both light and comfortable. I tried a Giro Shiv but they didn't have my size. A Bern Watts EPS and Macon but didn't have my size in either of those. I'm going to try to find another local Bern dealer and hit a few more shops to see what pro-tec is all about.
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Just be careful in your research and decision. Cars have crumple zones designed to disperse energy away from the driver. The car is the worst for wear in the event of a crash. Older cars which are harder/more rigid in the same size suffered less damage but transmitted more energy to the driver. Many helmets are the same way. Now if the helmet has the technology to provide the same level of protection without being destroyed, go for it. I'm not in the trees or even narrow groomers yet. When I get there I will be looking for a helmet known and tested for minimal brain damage.
I'm willing to sacrifice a bit of protection for durability. While that might sound stupid, I've whacked my head plenty hard riding my road bike wearing very minimal helmetry. I've split a lightweight bike helmet in half and got up and walked away. I hit the pavement at about 25mph and pretty much landed on my head. Actually, I was in a race and I got back on my bike, the officials pulled me out since I no longer had a "functioning" helmet.

That helmet looks like a flimsy beanie compared to these hard hat Berns so I'm not too concerned. I know if I buy the one hit wonder helm I will crash it and never replace it. So it's better in the long run to get the multi hit model.


Extremo, if you do find a Bern let me know if they run true to size. I can't find ANY in the shops by me. According to their size chart I need a small but all my other helms are mediums so I'm not to sure about wanting to order one.
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Smile Bern Watts, and helmets in general

I have a Bern Watts EPS helmet and really like it. It is comfortable and deep. From what I could gather, the EPS version is certified for a very hard impact but after any significant impact it should be replaced. The hard hat version can take multiple impacts but is not certified for a very hard one. For that reason, I am in favor of the EPS; my brain is important!

I am a huge fan of helmets--I'm a psychiatrist and I've seen what can happen when people have traumatic brain injuries :P When choosing a helmet in general, I think it's important to try a lot on and see what feels good, since heads are different shapes even if circumferences are the same and the helmet needs to fit with your goggles.

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Another Smith Variant (brim version) rocker here. It's toasty, very comfortable, reasonably light, works well with goggles, and just felt better than any other. I bought it on closeout online last year for around $60 after trying it on in-store. GL with your shopping!
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Wow...thanks for the feedback guys.

I went and tried on the Smith Maze and Holt which were both light and comfortable. I tried a Giro Shiv but they didn't have my size. A Bern Watts EPS and Macon but didn't have my size in either of those. I'm going to try to find another local Bern dealer and hit a few more shops to see what pro-tec is all about.
I have the protec riot, i believe, it is the andreas wiig pro model...has a brim and stylish shape, as well as being one of the certified ones out there . I really like it. you can keep the head padding in and no beanie, or take it out and it fits perfect with a beanie. perfect goggle fit for my electrics as well.

had a smith holt before, and like my protec way better

Amazon.com: Pro-tec Riot Andreas Wiig Snow Helmet: Sports & Outdoors

heres a lil more info from protec themselves

http://pro-tec.net/riot-snow-helmet.php
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glad you're leaving the clan of park kids who think they're too cool to wear a helmet...i see far too many
IMO it's just asking for a concussion considering 4/5 times i fall i hit my head. i'd be dead by now

make sure the helmet fits on your ears right or else it kills them after a long day of riding
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Just to be clear about Hard Hat tech. You are not buying the multiple-impact foam as a money-saving choice. It is a brain saving choice you have to make for yourself..

About 10 people wearing helmets have died crashing into trees in CO this year, and while I have ZERO stats, I bet you less than 20% of them were using the Bern or POC tech. Snowolf has given a great breakdown of this in the past, as a reason he does not wear one. If you are travelling 30+ mph and slightly out of your ability, you aren't respecting your body or protecting it no matter what kind of helmet you wear.

The EPS helmets may save your life when they crack, they may not. Its possible to have many softer hits with an EPS helm that will cause concussions. The hard hats are designed to take falls like 10-12 mph, maybe slipping off a rail, or bouncing your head as you miss a landing, and protect you from concussions. When I cracked my last helm, I was riding very slowly, switch, on a very icy day, scorpioned real hard, and my head hurt bad for like 3 weeks after, right where the crack was. In that situation I think my new Hard Hat would have performed much better for the hat and for my skull.

The better I get, the more time I am taking to get down the mountain, enjoying more of all teh natural features, riding slower. All you dipshits just crawling out of beginnerdom and thinking its time to go fast, slow the fuck down or YOU WILL DIE.

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Snowolf has given a great breakdown of this in the past, as a reason he does not wear one.


link plz? I actually spent most of the last two seasons snowboarding with a helmet before ditching the stupid thing. I'm only interested a new helmet now since I've been venturing into the park. And that's only due to crap conditions this season. I've run into plenty of trees sans helmet and I'm still alive so I guess I'm riding inside my ability level I think I did more damage to the poor trees then myself

I'd really prefer to not wear one at all so I've love to see this evidence.


Except I think the Bern Watts in White would look cute with pig tails and the rest of my kit so I can't decide Might need different goggles tho

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