Originally Posted by hktrdr

Erm, no. There are countless reviews, tests, and studies that clearly highlight that Gore-Tex is not the top performing fabric/membrane in the market - not even close.

Originally Posted by Sassicaia

Most 20k/20k substitutes are good enough from my experience

Originally Posted by ShredLife

for one season maybe

Originally Posted by Sassicaia

hey...i agree. Like I said its goretex or nothing for me. Its simply the best. 20k/20k good enough for some who dont ride often I should say.

The other thing people need to realize is longevity. Fuck specs if after a few uses its not effective anymore. Goretex is garaunteed after 20 wash cycles, and retains it waterproofing and breathability after each wash. Try that with a Spider 20k/20k. I did and lets just say i felt bad donating it to Value Village after.

Originally Posted by mtw

At the basic level; i.e. Active, Basic and Pro. I was more wondering about the specifications, for example the Theta SV jacket is listed as N150p GORE-TEX Pro. That falls under the Pro category obviously, but what does N150p mean?

It's probably irrelevant for me anyway (way more detail than I probably need to know), was just curious.

I'm leaning more and more towards the Burton AK 3L Hover jacket.

EDIT: Now the fun part of finding someone that has stock of the jacket and isn't way overpriced

Originally Posted by Sassicaia

I completely disagree with you (along with virtually every reviewer, user and countless top end manufactures that use the membrane). ANYONE can benefit from goretex. Its second to none for breathability which is critical, so even if you board and it NEVER rains its worth while. HOT?! its a shell and unless the manufacture ads an additional inner lining its not going to make you hot..ever. The fact its a shell is great because you can layer up or down based on your personal preference and weather conditions.

Goretex wont breath well if you dont wash it as the poors get clogged. Running is a sure way to do that quick because you are going to sweat a hell of a lot more then when boarding. You will compound the problem if you wear cotton underneath.

Originally Posted by mtw

Yep, that's why I'm looking at the gore-tex shells. I want a super light waterproof shell which I can wear regardless of where I'm riding. Then just layer up underneath that if necessary. I also want the purchase to last me 5+ years, so I'd rather do a larger outlay now to get a good product that will last.

Anyone seen any specials on the AK 3L Hover jacket?

Originally Posted by Nivek

I'm fucking with you all! I was bored as shit that night and wanted a fight. I love my running shell. Bike in it too actually. It's fucking money. Most people are buying outerwear every other year or so for fashion so for them Goretex is overkill. I get shit for free so I don't care regardless. But if I did have to get something that would stay premium for more than 2 years it would be Gore.

Though for gloves I've had better luck with Pow's and Celteks that use Hypora.

Originally Posted by gstboy

Anything AK is so popular that finding anything on sale in your size and color will be next to impossible unless you are willing to go second hand or if you fit those off sizes and colors like XL Akookoo Heat.