Technical Shell Jacket Recommendations - Page 9 - Snowboarding Forum

Nivek · 11-08-2012, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Sassicaia

If you are board read the thread I started in the board section and give me your thoughts if you think the board is new or used.

Saw it. It's new. Just storage damage.

hktrdr · 11-10-2012, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ShredLife

sources please.

Like the ones I posted over three months ago in this very thread:

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Originally Posted by hktrdr

I am sorry, but that is complete bullshit. A number of other fabrics (eVent is probably the best known one, but there are others) have been generally outperforming Gore-Tex for years, most notably in terms of breathability. There is a pretty well-known study conducted by the US military a few years ago that found the same.

That said, rating fabric breathability is non-trivial - different fabrics perform differently in different conditions, not all of which are practical or realistic. For instance, a number of these membranes have their best breathability measures when completely soaked - not ideal for most applications...

Still, it is clear that there are a number of fabrics that at least rival, if not exceed, the performance of Gore-Tex (not surprising, considering that Gore-Tex was invented almost 40 years ago). Stating that "no laminate comes close to Goretex in terms of waterproofing, breathability, and weight" is demonstrably false.

This page provides a pretty good summary for some of the materials available in the market.

Sassicaia · 11-10-2012, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by hktrdr

Like the ones I posted over three months ago in this very thread:

LOL!
You said

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Originally Posted by hktrdr

Gore-Tex is not the top performing fabric/membrane in the market - not even close.

Shred life asks for a source and you post a source which shows that goretex is in the #1 spot for breathability? and #2 spot for waterproofing at 28k?!

How is that "not even close" to a top performing fabric?

Showing sources to back up your point: yur doing it wrong.

hktrdr · 11-10-2012, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassicaia

LOL!
You said

Shred life asks for a source and you post a source which shows that goretex is in the #1 spot for breathability? and #2 spot for waterproofing at 28k?!

How is that "not even close" to a top performing fabric?

Showing sources to back up your point: yur doing it wrong.

Your are misquoting me. The part of my post that you selected to omit included a link to a study (very well known in the industry incidentally) for the US military that shows Gore-Tex absolutely getting trounced in comparison with other membranes.

The second part of my post (which you chose to repeat) was in response to another poster who had stated that "No laminate comes close to Goretex in terms of waterproofing, breathability, and weight."

Sassicaia · 11-10-2012, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by hktrdr

Your are misquoting me. The part of my post that you selected to omit included a link to a study (very well known in the industry incidentally) for the US military that shows Gore-Tex absolutely getting trounced in comparison with other membranes.

The second part of my post (which you chose to repeat) was in response to another poster who had stated that "No laminate comes close to Goretex in terms of waterproofing, breathability, and weight."

I went to the only link you provided in your post.

You also said this in the same post which isnt consistent with saying goretex is "not even close" to be ing a top performer.

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Originally Posted by hktrdr

Still, it is clear that there are a number of fabrics that at least rival, if not exceed, the performance of Gore-Tex

There are some that rival, but goretex is a top performer, and outperform 99% of everything on the market. I wont dispute that there are some other top performers out there that rival it.

Lamps · 11-10-2012, 02:52 PM

hopefully the original poster has bought a hover jacket by now and never returned to this fiasco of a thread....

mtw · 11-10-2012, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Lamps

hopefully the original poster has bought a hover jacket by now and never returned to this fiasco of a thread....

Wasn't the OP, but did revive this thread.... Still check in from time to time for a laugh

hktrdr · 11-10-2012, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassicaia

I went to the only link you provided in your post.

You also said this in the same post which isnt consistent with saying goretex is "not even close" to be ing a top performer.

There were two links in the post, including a scientific study in which Gore-Tex was not even close to the top performers - just as i had stated before. Funny that...

ARSENALFAN · 11-10-2012, 09:02 PM

All I know is that my Goretex outfit and merino wool ninja suit did the trick today. Most comforatable I have ever been. Not a drop of perspiration.

Triple8Sol · 11-13-2012, 11:19 AM

What's with all the gore-tex humping? I have currently and in the past had plenty of gore-tex stuff, pants, gloves, etc... but it is pretty widely known that it is no longer the best. It's been surpassed by plenty of others that are just as waterproof but far more breathable. If this is the direction of this thread and others that are sure to come, you really ought to be preaching about eVent, OmniDry, NeoShell, DryQ, etc...

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11-10-2012, 02:52 PM	#86 (permalink)
Lamps Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 633 Blog Entries: 5	hopefully the original poster has bought a hover jacket by now and never returned to this fiasco of a thread....

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ARSENALFAN -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Calgary Posts: 604	All I know is that my Goretex outfit and merino wool ninja suit did the trick today. Most comforatable I have ever been. Not a drop of perspiration.