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Old 09-15-2012, 11:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm a second year rider whose progressed greatly. I love trees and when tree well danger isn't a huge factor I can nail the trees with ease and confidence.


However, when the pow is deep the trees scare me which we all know leads to lack of confidence which leads to landing in a tree well. HELL even the best of them end up in a tree well sometimes.

Guaranteed lifesaver, no. You still have to get out, call for help, etc....

I've been thinking about the lightest avalund / hydrater pack on the market.

Do any of you board with the avalung for safety?

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Old 09-15-2012, 11:17 PM   #2 (permalink)
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i have one that i'll slap onto my BC pack if its really deep.

you are a beginner, and riding with a backpack (unless you are in the backcountry where it is required for safe travel) beginner or not is going to really mess with your balance and slow your progression.

it may be the backpack that puts your ass in that treewell....

keep in mind that you have to be wearing the mouthpiece IN your mouth for it to work. you'll put an avalung in your mouth before you drop in on a wide open face you just hiked up, but whenever you dip into the trees? i wouldn't.

if you're nervous about riding in the trees its probably your self-preservation instinct because you just might not be there yet. riding in the trees requires you to keep your speed up and to think and visualize like 3 turns ahead of you. you not only have to have the skills, but you have to have the confidence that you KNOW you have the skill... an avalung isn't going to be what makes you safer and a backpack isn't worth wearing unless you have to.
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Old 09-15-2012, 11:21 PM   #3 (permalink)
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i have one that i'll slap onto my BC pack if its really deep.

you are a beginner, and riding with a backpack (unless you are in the backcountry where it is required for safe travel) beginner or not is going to really mess with your balance and slow your progression.

it may be the backpack that puts your ass in that treewell....

keep in mind that you have to be wearing the mouthpiece IN your mouth for it to work. you'll put an avalung in your mouth before you drop in on a wide open face you just hiked up, but whenever you dip into the trees? i wouldn't.

if you're nervous about riding in the trees its probably your self-preservation instinct because you just might not be there yet. riding in the trees requires you to keep your speed up and to think and visualize like 3 turns ahead of you. you not only have to have the skills, but you have to have the confidence that you KNOW you have the skill... an avalung isn't going to be what makes you safer and a backpack isn't worth wearing unless you have to.
Ummm.... it happens to the best!

I might be a 'beginner' but I'm far progressed beyond the label. I could ride with a keg on my back and adjust.

I did state, and prove, that tress don't phase me when there is little to no tree well danger.

Ask snowolf...
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Old 09-15-2012, 11:36 PM   #4 (permalink)
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i don't have to ask snowolf.

riding with a backpack throws you off. period.

riding with a backpack at the resort, unless you are filming and carrying DSLR camera equipment - is stupid and will slow down your progression.

i have fallen into treewells and volcanic vents. i have fallen in upside-down. i have lost friends to tree impacts.

what you need is solid skills. if you want to survive a treewell get good at manipulating your binding straps. be able to reach them while upside down. wear a helmet to prevent being knocked unconscious, sure - but wearing an avalung in a treewell is just going to give you another 15 minutes in a situation where noone is probably looking for you anyway.

avalungs were designed to give you time to breath in an avalanche burial - dense, compacted snow and (hopefully) an active rescue. treewells are different. the snow is not dense and your friends are either right there (watched you go in or noticed you missing on that run) and are digging you out or noone watched you go in and its up to you to get out or we'll see ya in the spring.

i get the feeling i'm not going to be able to convince you i'm right here - and you're free to do whatever you want, but you'd be better off with a lifealert bracelet or a 2way radio in a treewell situation...
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I've been thinking of alert resources all summer. You mention life alert 2 way radio.

Aren't ski patrols radios on a trunked system?

Life alert..... will that work in the deep and if so what frequency does it run on?

Tree wells and DSI are serious hazards amongst the best boarding conditions.

There has to be a good preventive measure
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life alert is that thing the little old lady has in the "i've fallen and i can't get up!" commercials. i was being sarcastic

you are right that they are serious hazards. the best things for the trees or other potentially hazardous situations (avy terrain) is to always ride with a partner and to use good judgment.

an avalung simply was not designed for this purpose. would it give you extra time in some treewell situations? sure, yes.

in an avalanche you have 15 minutes of air without the help of an avalung. the snow of an avalanche is much denser (think concrete) then the snow of any treewell that you could sink into, so... see how its an apples to avocados kinda thing? yes you could breath longer with an avalung in your mouth when you went into a treewell, but rarely will you be chilling out for 20+ minutes unless you're unconscious or really really stuck.

you'd be better off with a cell phone.
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life alert is that thing the little old lady has in the "i've fallen and i can't get up!" commercials. i was being sarcastic

you are right that they are serious hazards. the best things for the trees or other potentially hazardous situations (avy terrain) is to always ride with a partner and to use good judgment.

an avalung simply was not designed for this purpose. would it give you extra time in some treewell situations? sure, yes.

in an avalanche you have 15 minutes of air without the help of an avalung. the snow of an avalanche is much denser (think concrete) then the snow of any treewell that you could sink into, so... see how its an apples to avocados kinda thing? yes you could breath longer with an avalung in your mouth when you went into a treewell, but rarely will you be chilling out for 20+ minutes unless you're unconscious or really really stuck.

you'd be better off with a cell phone.
AWESOME....... LOVE HOW ATT doesn't work at meadows most of the terrain.

I've been seriously thinking of getting a pre-paid verizon phone for Emergency purposes, but like you say and I know, a tree well can treat you good or F u

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Previous post of yours .

the best way to stay safe around treewells, or in any avy terrain is to:

1. ride with a partner and stay within sight of each other.

2. have a radio/cellphone. whistle.

3. remain conscious when you go under (helmet?)

4. avalung and beacon

5. know how to get out of your bindings without looking, while upside down, with limited mobility

6. know your terrain. know how to recognize this stuff. pay attention to the snow conditions and quality.

7. wear bright clothing.

i am sure there is more stuff, but a blowtorch ain't one of em
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#5 and #3perhaps could be THE most important...
Edit: #6 is THEEEE most important.

this shit is long... but a brutal reality of how scary it could be... and relevant to the discussion... anyhow - time isn't so much the issue. the worst time i was in upside down and covered it was being able to get out of my bindings that made it easy (relatively) for me to self-rescue.







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Old 09-16-2012, 12:57 AM   #10 (permalink)
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The point is this shit can happen to anyone pro or novice. this is a great survival video but it relies solely on cell phone, which is not available at meadows if you're using att.

even if using verizon this guy was lucky enough to be able to reach his phone.

thx for the vids....... just one more which i have not seen that preps me for the hazard.
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