TacomaDoA

Let me put it this way=

Practically all over the cuff gloves fit all jackets
Not all under cuff gloves fit all jackets

It's not a terrible thing because my midlayer has thumb loops so I am not getting anything on my skin but I prefer the over the cuff for the extra bit.

With what you have said about your hands, I would suggest some mittens. The only mittens they have on evo are the Gore Tex mittens for women but I don't see what the difference is.... They are all black so I'm sure they could pass plus it's not like anyone gives a shit. They are a similar 3-1 system to the Burton GTX gloves I have. On backcountry.com there are some POW Gloves Warner GTX mittens as well.

Mfoehrkolb

--- I don't have a mid layer yet, i suppose i should buy one with the finger loop things. A 3-1 Smarty jacket i was looking at had that integrated into it. The only complaint about those gloves is the cuff itself isn't long. That shouldn't matter really though with the proper mid layer and if it's some what over my jacket.

If i would wear a medium is mens, should i wear a large in womens, and XL in womens since they are saying you should size up?

hktrdr

Absolutely correct. These are very similar a number of snow/snowboard gloves sold by brands like Dakine, The North Face, etc. All sourced from the same far east supplier. Most differences are minor (color, might not have nose wipe and goggle sweeper), others might matter a bit more (different levels of insulation, fleece in the gauntlet, etc.).