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Old 10-16-2013, 02:17 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The GoPro has made a big impact for a lot of sports however, they are not the only one out there that offers action cameras. No doubt that the advantage for GoPro would be the accessories variety that they offer.

I always wonder why can’t we use the waterproof camera from different brands (e.g. Sony TX series) for these action activities. These cameras are capable of what GoPro can do and do more. It use the standard screw size (1/4” thread), which is a standard features where different brands or other aftermarket brands can make products for. The only downside I see is that it doesn’t offer many different mounts that the GoPro does. I do not see that it will be that difficult to create different mount for the 1/4“ thread.

Is there anything I missed for using a waterproof camera rather than action cameras?

I am looking to get my waterproof camera for my upcoming snowboard trip mounting it to a monopod.
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I think the biggest issue is the waterproof point and shoots are bigger than the already bulbous GoPro. They'd be useless as a POV cam. As a pole mount then I don't see a problem, as long as they've got the same or better specs (sensor size, frame rate, battery life, etc.) then there's no reason not to use them. Probably millions of mounts out there for the standard 1/4" base.

Alternatively, there are several waterproof action/POV cams out there designed to do exactly what you want it to do.

I'm taking another route, I find POV cams okay for chase video, and the occasional shakey vid showing my route through a run. But otherwise the video is crap (doesn't matter which camera). So I'm going to pick-up a video capable DSLR one of these days and use an action rig with it. I already have an older DSLR that I've used for on snow shots, and got pics like this.



I'm looking for a Canon 5D MKII for video and stills.
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I have 4 different pov cameras and they are way way way better than my waterproof sony point and shoot. I also recently(6 months ago) picked up a dslr, it's video quality is amazing. Pictures, more amazing. For ease of use in difficult areas, without a pro camera guy, I would go with pov. I have a canon 60d, the video quality is equal to the 5d. 5d is a way way better portrait and indoor camera though. The 60d & 70d are amazing for action shots and HD video. Over the past few months I have shot pics and video with them all and I'm still happy with my money savings getting the 60d.

On the pov side, I still prefer drift HD ghost. Gopro black edition is too buggy and has really bad battery life for me to like using it on any regular basis.
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I have a canon 60d, the video quality is equal to the 5d. 5d is a way way better portrait and indoor camera though. The 60d & 70d are amazing for action shots and HD video. Over the past few months I have shot pics and video with them all and I'm still happy with my money savings getting the 60d.
It's funny cause this thread just sparked me to look again at all the models. I have been lusting for a 5D MKII for the last year or so, because I want to do two main things:

1) Take landscapes and some close up wildlife photography to blow up and put on my walls (my current Digital Rebel 6.3 mp isn't half bad at that!).

2) Take GOOD snowboarding videos and stills a couple times a year.

I'm starting to think that a 60D would be fine for my needs. I always wanted a full frame for the landscapes, but I'm sure the 60D would still blow me away at the sizes I want to blow things up to (3' x 4' or so).

What do you think? All my lenses are EF mount, but I think they're all compatible still between EF and EF-S right?

Edit: Okay now I'm trying to figure between the 5D MKII, 60D, 6D, or 7D... 6D might be the target, being full frame and a little higher MP than the 60D or 7D, but still cheaper than the 5D MKII.

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megapixels don't really matter at this point... its all about sensor size, focusing speed and points, and what you want to do with it.. FF better for landscape, portrait; crop sensor better for wildlife, action sports...
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I have never used the 6d/7d.... I'm sure they are great. I honestly could not see the difference in the full frame 5d Mk shots and my 60d. I did not blow anything up to posters though and don't care about portrait - landscape

The only real upgrade in the 70d seems to be the cool touch screen. If. You have the cash I would go straight to the 6/7d. If not just stick with the 60d. The 70d is not worth the extra $4-600
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It's funny cause this thread just sparked me to look again at all the models. I have been lusting for a 5D MKII for the last year or so, because I want to do two main things:

1) Take landscapes and some close up wildlife photography to blow up and put on my walls (my current Digital Rebel 6.3 mp isn't half bad at that!).

2) Take GOOD snowboarding videos and stills a couple times a year.

I'm starting to think that a 60D would be fine for my needs. I always wanted a full frame for the landscapes, but I'm sure the 60D would still blow me away at the sizes I want to blow things up to (3' x 4' or so).

What do you think? All my lenses are EF mount, but I think they're all compatible still between EF and EF-S right?

Edit: Okay now I'm trying to figure between the 5D MKII, 60D, 6D, or 7D... 6D might be the target, being full frame and a little higher MP than the 60D or 7D, but still cheaper than the 5D MKII.
Well, for what you have listed I would say 7D. 6D and 60D have plastic body and lower build quality, I would cut them out. If you have any EF-S lenses they won't work on a FF body so thats a choice you have to make. So between the 7D and 5DMKII...

Here's my breakdown.

7D - Higher FPS for stills, crop sensor gives you more reach with your lenses (better for close ups of wildlife), smaller and lighter which is nice for video as you have to carry the thing. Smaller video files gives you more video on your cards. Faster/better autofocus. Accepts your EF-S lenses.

5D - Better IQ (arguable), higher MP (doesn't matter), larger sensor is better in low light and better DOF. Wider FOV with same lenses, good for landscape.

Basically if you were looking to do portraits and landscape only I would say 5D, but for video, wildlife and sports the 7D is a better bet. If you pop a 10-22 on it your gonna be super wide and make up for the crop frame. Getting more reach out of a 70-300 is a big deal though (like having a 480mm on a 5d). you will notice that bigtime when your trying to shoot a bird or a moose thats far away. The autofocus is alaso more advanced on the 7D.

What lenses do you have?
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Well, for what you have listed I would say 7D. 6D and 60D have plastic body and lower build quality, I would cut them out. If you have any EF-S lenses they won't work on a FF body so thats a choice you have to make. So between the 7D and 5DMKII...

Here's my breakdown.

7D - Higher FPS for stills, crop sensor gives you more reach with your lenses (better for close ups of wildlife), smaller and lighter which is nice for video as you have to carry the thing. Smaller video files gives you more video on your cards. Faster/better autofocus. Accepts your EF-S lenses.

5D - Better IQ (arguable), higher MP (doesn't matter), larger sensor is better in low light and better DOF. Wider FOV with same lenses, good for landscape.

Basically if you were looking to do portraits and landscape only I would say 5D, but for video, wildlife and sports the 7D is a better bet. If you pop a 10-22 on it your gonna be super wide and make up for the crop frame. Getting more reach out of a 70-300 is a big deal though (like having a 480mm on a 5d). you will notice that bigtime when your trying to shoot a bird or a moose thats far away. The autofocus is alaso more advanced on the 7D.

What lenses do you have?
pretty much this.


i have a 7d and its tits. i also have the EF-S 10-22mm and it is fucking rad. i love wide angle shit... the main reason i'd still like a FF is low light/difficult indoor stuff, but also to take advantage of the wider ends of other lenses i have.. sometimes its annoying when you have a $1000 piece of glass and the wide end is cropped 1.6x

for wildlife and sports the 7d is pretty much it bc of the focusing and crop sensor... and it doesn't really fall short for landscapes and portraits at all, just not as optimal as the FF (larger sensor = better low light/less noise, more dynamic range, wide.)
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Thanks gents (I use the term loosly... ) both my lenses are EF. I've got a Sigma 18-55 and a Canon 75-300. Nothing fancy, but I do tend to use the 75-300 at full zoom quite often. That pic above was taken with a 200 mm focal length.

Only trouble is the 7D is fairly close in price to the 5D MKII...
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7D came out a year later. Used the 7D is seling for $1000-$1200, the 5DMKII is more like $1500-$1700. Close in price doesn't have to mean anything though, one is more suited to your needs.

If I were you I would trade the 75-300 and get a 70-300 (way better IQ).

Canon or Sigma 10-20ish
Keep the 18-55 if you like it, or get a 17-85 IS USM
70-300 IS USM

Then your all set. One day if you feel like dropping hard cash get some red rings on your lenses.

I have Sigma 10-20, 17-40L, 24-105L, 70-300 IS USM, 50 1.4, 100 2.8 Macro a 5DMKIII and 50D.

What I really want is a Canon G16 because most of the time I don't feel like carrying any of that shit I listed above lol. My wife and I have a portrait biz so most of it just sits unless she is shooting. I love my 50D with the 10-20 for skateboarding and shit as well as landscape, I also love the 70-300... I don't shoot mid range much.
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